{"id":174,"date":"2012-07-05T21:46:22","date_gmt":"2012-07-06T04:46:22","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/gajunkie.info\/blog\/?p=174"},"modified":"2012-07-05T21:46:22","modified_gmt":"2012-07-06T04:46:22","slug":"220th-general-assembly-of-the-pcusa-thursday-afternoon","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=174","title":{"rendered":"220th General Assembly of the PC(USA) — Thursday Afternoon"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n\n
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\n \"\"\n<\/td>\n		\nLive blogging the Thursday afternoon session…
\nIf you are following along live you will want to hit refresh periodically to reload the post. (And please excuse the typos as my fingers fly.)<\/p>\n

The proposed docket<\/a> for the rest of the Assembly is posted at Bills and Overtures.<\/p>\n

This afternoon’s scheduled committees are Social Justice Issues (Committee 11), Board of Pensions, Foundation and Presbyterian Publishing Corp. (Committee 20) and Middle East Peacemaking Issues (Committee 15).\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n

\nI returned from my lunch during the Speak-out. Almost all respectful and few political.<\/p>\n

1001 Worshiping Communities video<\/p>\n

Bills and overtures recommends taking Committee on Polity next
\nApproved by voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee on Church Polity – Committee 6<\/a><\/p>\n

Committee recommends disapproval of 06-08 to amend F-1.0403
\nNo Discussion
\nApproved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends that 06-13 and 06-17 be answered by 06-08<\/p>\n

There is a motion to create a consent agenda. After time to compile the recommendations with no negative votes in committee and time to read over the items on the list the commissioners reject the motion in a narrow vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends disapproval of 06-01 to amend F-1.01
\nNo Discussion
\nApproved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends approval of 06-02 as amended, to amend D-10.0101-.0102, clarifies duties of an investigating committee
\nNo discussion
\nApproved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends approval of 06-04 on commissioned ruling elders in G-3.0301
\nNo discussion
\nApproved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends that 06-16 be answered by action on 06-04
\nNo discussion
\nApproved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends approval of alternate resolution on 06-10 regarding business at a congregational meeting
\nNo discussion
\nApproved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends disapproval with comment of 06-11 regarding G-2.0401
\nNo discussion
\nApproval on voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends disapproval of 06-06 and 06-07<\/a> to add a new section G-4.0203b regarding ownership of property
\nThe Committee Moderator speaks to it, including pointing out that when a presbytery guarantees a PILP loan they need access to the property.
\nA substitute motion is presented to item 06-07
\nACC speaker notes that they have not had a chance to review it.
\nStated Clerk notes that the ACC needs to review it and recommends arresting this item [don’t you love parliamentary jargon?]<\/p>\n

Committee moves on to 06-03 and 06-09 – Move approval with Amendment and Comment of 06-09 (and answer 06-03 with action on 06-09) on Administrative leave
\nCommittee Moderator speaks to it and need to protect victims of sexual abuse – Every presbytery needs to adopt an administrative leave policy with an explicit list of the types of allegations which would trigger immediate administrative leave
\nConcern that this could be abused by someone who wants to get rid of a teaching elder
\nApproved on divided voice vote
\nThe action on 06-03 approved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Committee recommends disapproval of 06-12 on amending G-1.04 regarding special consideration for membership for families serving yoked churches
\nCommissioner gives strong support for not disapproving this item
\nACC notes there is provision for persons described in the commissioners comments
\nSome discussion
\nElectronic voting – approved 89% yes, 11% no, 1%<\/p>\n

The assembly too a break and came back singing.<\/p>\n

[Due to technical issues I missed the next two items but both were approved on voice vote without discussion]<\/p>\n

Returning to 06-13 and 06-17 to be answered by action on 06-08
\nGot lost in that consent agenda business and did not get voted on
\nNo discussion
\nApproved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Returning to the substitute motion on 06-07
\nOn advice of Stated Clerk that it is in conflict with other provisions, it is ruled out of order
\nThe Assembly debates the main motion – mostly stories of presbytery losing property in dismissal
\nApproved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Question from the floor about Redwoods Presbytery not delivering rebuke to Jane Spahr
\nThe presbytery forwarded what happened and the Committee simply was to receive this report
\nACC – Assembly has no recourse as it is only a report<\/p>\n

Commissioner asks that reports put items in order of delivery not in numerical order<\/p>\n

An ecumenical guest from the Islamic Society is recognized to bring greetings<\/p>\n

[Note: I am having connectivity issues so I have missed a considerable amount of the business of the next committee. I am posting the votes on items which were voted on electronically – all others by voice.]<\/p>\n

Social Justice Issues
11-02 – Fair development
439\/185\/23<\/p>\n

11-05 – Calling for an end to Corporal Punishment
Some spirited debate
51% yes, 47% no, 1% abstain<\/p>\n

11-09 – Work of Economic Reconstruction
424\/166\/27<\/p>\n

11-20 – A Statement on the Mortgage and Housing Crisis
431\/191\/16<\/p>\n

4:03 PM – Motion from Bills and Overtures to arrest this report and move on to Middle East Peacemaking issues
Yes – 42% No-55% Abstain-3%
The report is not arrested<\/p>\n

Item 11-01 Economic Justice in the Troubled times
Speaker points out that just by having a retirement account or children’s education fund would make us complicit
429\/194\/8<\/p>\n

Item 11-10 Workers Rights
No Discussion
Approved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Item 11-06 To have MRTI report to GAMC on Publicly Traded Corporations that operate for-profit prisons
YAAD explains the motivation behind the compromise amendment they crafted
62% Yes, 35% No, 2% Abstain<\/p>\n

Commissioner Resolutions
Item 11-22 Consequences on those in long solitary confinement – Recommend approve as amended
No Discussion
Approved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Item 11-23 Alternate giving options for union members – Recommend disapproval
No Discussion
Approved on voice vote<\/p>\n

This concludes the report<\/p>\n

Memorial moment for William Lytle, Moderator of the 190th General Assembly of the UPCUSA<\/p>\n

Committee on Board of Pensions, Foundation and Presbyterian Publishing – Committee 20<\/a>
[It is now 4:50 PM – Dinner recess is at 5:30 PM. See if we make it.]
No financial implications
Eight items on the consent agenda
   Item 20-12 removed
   Consent agenda approved with remaining seven items
   [And on a personal note a thanks to the Assembly for passing the overture I advocated for – 20-03]<\/p>\n

Items related to the Presbyterian Publishing Corporation
Item 20-09 Commend the new Presbyterian Hymnal
No discussion
Approved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Item 20-08 Confirm the reelection of the president of the Presbyterian Publishing Corporation
No discussion
Approved on voice vote<\/p>\n

Items related to the Board of Pensions
Item 20-02 Regarding a medical plan that will only pay for abortions to save the life of the woman
Recommending disapproval
Commissioner asks how to register a dissent
Moderate debate with commissioners expressing strong opinions
Commissioners ready to vote – question called
Advisory delegates strongly in favor except EADs who are against or abstaining
Commissioners 70% yes, 28% no, 1% abstain<\/p>\n

Item 20-12 Commissioner Resolution Shared Benefits Plan
Commissioner who had it pulled from the consent agenda speaks against it – it is dangerous to have our fine pension plan shared with those that are pulling their congregations out of the denomination.
Commissioner speaks in favor asking Assembly to err on the side of Grace
Commissioner speaks against likening EPC’s opposition to ordaining women to corporations the PC(USA) won’t invest in.
Vote to close debate – call for division of the house
To close debate – 64% yes, 35% no, 1% abstain – debate is not closed (although Moderator had to be reminded by the Stated Clerk that it requires a 2\/3 supermajority)
Debate continues with strong feelings about those churches that have been dismissed
Question: Would Board of Pensions explain what happens when someone leaves? BOP Rep – those that leave keep their credits in tact
BOP Rep – We will have to have a conversation about what to have the conversation about. If this is an ecclesiastical matter we will follow the lead of the clerk.
Commissioner says that only one EPC presbytery does not ordain women. [That covers teaching elders but ruling elder is still up to the particular church]
Question has been called – debate closed 91%\/8%\/0%
Main motion – 319 yes, 311 no, 8 abstain (votes)<\/p>\n

YAAD asks that if commissioners electronically vote on a close vote the advisory delegates should as well. The Moderator acknowledges that.<\/p>\n

Item 20-11 Relief of Conscience for Domestic Partner Benefits
Recommend to disapprove with comment
Advisory delegates in favor
Passes 79% yes, 20% no, 1% abstain<\/p>\n

Final stretch…
Foundation Item
Item 20-06 Churchwide Gift Program
And this item comes with a video… Suggests showing it after dinner
No discussion
Advisory delegates strongly yes
Item is approved 97% yes, 3% no, 0% abstain<\/p>\n

That concludes the report<\/p>\n

Moderator Presa resumes the chair<\/p>\n

Bills and Overtures – “Never mind…”<\/p>\n

Stated Clerk – After dinner we will begin with Middle East Peacemaking, then Mission Coordination
Town hall forum with Tara Spuhler McCabe right after recess<\/p>\n

Close with prayer at 5:45
In recess until 7:30 PM
[It could be a long night…]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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