{"id":589,"date":"2009-06-03T03:51:00","date_gmt":"2009-06-03T10:51:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589"},"modified":"2009-06-03T03:51:00","modified_gmt":"2009-06-03T10:51:00","slug":"presbyterians-do-things-differently","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589","title":{"rendered":"Presbyterians Do Things Differently"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Love it or hate it Presbyterians are big on committees.&nbsp; That is how we do things as a Covenant Community.&nbsp; That is how we hold ourselves accountable.&nbsp; And it allows the church to discern together God&#8217;s will as we listen to each other and are guided by the Holy Spirit.&nbsp; And the PC(USA) has an <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pcusa.org\/pcnews\/policies.htm\">open meetings policy<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>And you probably know that back in February the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pcusa.org\/pcnews\/2009\/09075.htm\">Moderator of the General Assembly of the PC(USA) named a Special Committee<\/a> to study civil unions and Christian marriage.&nbsp; It met back in March and will meet again in two weeks.<\/p>\n<p>Being on that Special Committee myself I had to laugh when I read this news about the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/ecusa.anglican.org\/\">Episcopal Church<\/a> today:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The House of Bishops Theology Committee is refusing to release the<br \/>\nnames of members of a sub-committee it has appointed to study same-sex<br \/>\nrelationships. The existence of the panel was first reported in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.episcopalchurch.org\/gc2009_106480_ENG_HTM.htm\" target=\"_blank\">Blue Book<\/a>,<br \/>\nwhich contains information relevant to General Convention, 2009.<br \/>\nHowever, the Rt. Rev. Henry Parsley of Alabama, chair of the Theology<br \/>\nCommittee has refused several requests to disclose the names of its<br \/>\nmembers.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Thanks to <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.episcopalcafe.com\/lead\/bishops\/secret_theology_committee_stud.html\">The Lead<\/a> for this information.&nbsp; It seems that since it is a sub-committee of the Theology Committee the <i>possible<\/i> members of the sub-committee are known.&nbsp; Still, an interesting way to do business.&nbsp; The LGBT advocacy group Integrity responded, in part, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/walkingwithintegrity.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/integrity-responds-to-house-of-bishops.html\">with this<\/a>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cIf this isn\u2019t the height of absurdity and insult I don\u2019t know what<br \/>\nis,\u201d said the Reverend Susan Russell, President of Integrity USA, the<br \/>\nLGBT advocacy group within the Episcopal Church. \u201cIt sends a horrific<br \/>\nmessage to gay and lesbian people \u2013 both inside and outside the church.<br \/>\nThe very concept of \u201csecret studies\u201d elicits painful memories of secret<br \/>\nstudies done on other minority groups in the past and is utterly<br \/>\ncontrary to our baptismal promise to respect the dignity of every human<br \/>\nbeing. There is absolutely nothing dignified about a secret study of a<br \/>\ngroup already being discriminated against. It is suspect, disingenuous<br \/>\nand dishonest.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>This has &#8220;gone viral&#8221; on the Episcopal and Anglican blogs:&nbsp; <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/friends-of-jake.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/secret-theology-committee-studies-same.html\">The Friends of Jake<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/anglicanfuture.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/house-of-bishops-theology-committee.html\">Preludium<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/telling-secrets.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/sex-lies-and-secrets.html\">Telling Secrets<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk\/archives\/003815.html\">Thinking Anglicans<\/a>, are ones I have seen so far and I am sure there are many more to come.<\/p>\n<p>I will update as news develops.<\/p>\n<p>Update &#8211; 6\/4\/09:<br \/>There has been a response from the chair of the Theology Committee, the Rt. Rev. Henry N. Parsley, Jr. The <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/episcopalchurch.typepad.com\/episcope\/2009\/06\/from-the-hob-theology-committee.html\">official statement<\/a> says, in part:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8230;I wish to assure those concerned that the panel very intentionally<br \/>\nrepresents a robust range of views on the subject and includes gay and<br \/>\nlesbian persons.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>and<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>This project has been designed in full communication with the House of<br \/>\nBishops. It has always been the committee\u2019s intention to publish the<br \/>\nnames of the panel when the work has reached the appropriate stage. We<br \/>\nbelieve that for a season the work can best be accomplished by allowing<br \/>\nthe panel to work in confidence. This supports the full collegiality<br \/>\nand academic freedom of the theologians and provides the space they<br \/>\nneed for the deep dialogue and reflection that is taking place among<br \/>\nthem.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>And the church has issued a <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.episcopalchurch.org\/79901_108986_ENG_HTM.htm\">press release<\/a> referring to this statement.<\/p>\n<p>The response from within the Episcopal Church continues and outside the Anglican circles a few others, besides myself, who have commented include more media-oriented blogs <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/biblebeltblogger.com\/index.php\/religion\/secret-committee-riles-some-episcopalians\">BibleBeltBlogger<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/wildernessgarden.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/enough-already-end-this-season-of.html\">Desert&#8217;s Child<\/a>, and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.dailyreligious.com\/06\/episcopal-bishops-theology-committee-chair-declines-to-release-names-of-same-gender-study-group\/\">Daily Religious<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Update &#8211; 6\/6\/09<br \/>There are now reports that the Episcopal Church web site which previously promised transparency in their operations has removed that claim.&nbsp; The story from <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/biblebeltblogger.com\/index.php\/religion\/facing-criticism-for-withholding-information-episcopal-church-removes-transparent-governance-pledge-from-website\">BibleBeltBlogger<\/a> and a response from <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/anglicanfuture.blogspot.com\/2009\/06\/im-episcopalian-and-dropped-langage-of.html\">Preludium<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>And a <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.episcopalcafe.com\/lead\/bishops\/schrute_to_help_bishops_staff.html\">little humor from The Lead<\/a> about selecting the members of the secret committee.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Love it or hate it Presbyterians are big on committees.&nbsp; That is how we do things as a Covenant Community.&nbsp; That is how we hold ourselves accountable.&nbsp; And it allows [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[111,5,12],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-589","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-episcopal-church","category-pcusa","category-same-sex-unions"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Presbyterians Do Things Differently - The GA Junkie<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Presbyterians Do Things Differently - The GA Junkie\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Love it or hate it Presbyterians are big on committees.&nbsp; That is how we do things as a Covenant Community.&nbsp; That is how we hold ourselves accountable.&nbsp; And it allows [&hellip;]\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:url\" content=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:site_name\" content=\"The GA Junkie\" \/>\n<meta property=\"article:published_time\" content=\"2009-06-03T10:51:00+00:00\" \/>\n<meta name=\"author\" content=\"Steve Salyards\" \/>\n<meta name=\"twitter:label1\" content=\"Written by\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data1\" content=\"Steve Salyards\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:label2\" content=\"Est. reading time\" \/>\n\t<meta name=\"twitter:data2\" content=\"3 minutes\" \/>\n<script type=\"application\/ld+json\" class=\"yoast-schema-graph\">{\"@context\":\"https:\/\/schema.org\",\"@graph\":[{\"@type\":\"Article\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589#article\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589\"},\"author\":{\"name\":\"Steve Salyards\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#\/schema\/person\/e30c1b854f165e0423ea436d3961c1c0\"},\"headline\":\"Presbyterians Do Things Differently\",\"datePublished\":\"2009-06-03T10:51:00+00:00\",\"mainEntityOfPage\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589\"},\"wordCount\":623,\"commentCount\":2,\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#organization\"},\"articleSection\":[\"Episcopal Church\",\"PC(USA)\",\"same-sex unions\"],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"CommentAction\",\"name\":\"Comment\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589#respond\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"WebPage\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589\",\"name\":\"Presbyterians Do Things Differently - The GA Junkie\",\"isPartOf\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#website\"},\"datePublished\":\"2009-06-03T10:51:00+00:00\",\"breadcrumb\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589#breadcrumb\"},\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"ReadAction\",\"target\":[\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589\"]}]},{\"@type\":\"BreadcrumbList\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589#breadcrumb\",\"itemListElement\":[{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":1,\"name\":\"Home\",\"item\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/\"},{\"@type\":\"ListItem\",\"position\":2,\"name\":\"Presbyterians Do Things Differently\"}]},{\"@type\":\"WebSite\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#website\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/\",\"name\":\"The GA Junkie\",\"description\":\"The Politics of Presbyterianism\",\"publisher\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#organization\"},\"potentialAction\":[{\"@type\":\"SearchAction\",\"target\":{\"@type\":\"EntryPoint\",\"urlTemplate\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?s={search_term_string}\"},\"query-input\":{\"@type\":\"PropertyValueSpecification\",\"valueRequired\":true,\"valueName\":\"search_term_string\"}}],\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\"},{\"@type\":\"Organization\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#organization\",\"name\":\"GA Junkie\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/\",\"logo\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Cross-Square.jpg\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Cross-Square.jpg\",\"width\":1,\"height\":1,\"caption\":\"GA Junkie\"},\"image\":{\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/\"},\"sameAs\":[\"https:\/\/x.com\/ga_junkie\"]},{\"@type\":\"Person\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#\/schema\/person\/e30c1b854f165e0423ea436d3961c1c0\",\"name\":\"Steve Salyards\",\"image\":{\"@type\":\"ImageObject\",\"inLanguage\":\"en-US\",\"@id\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f098d5fd6e11f0399f5340bc917d2834c81c2c84247856402d200760feff0c86?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"url\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f098d5fd6e11f0399f5340bc917d2834c81c2c84247856402d200760feff0c86?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"contentUrl\":\"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f098d5fd6e11f0399f5340bc917d2834c81c2c84247856402d200760feff0c86?s=96&d=mm&r=g\",\"caption\":\"Steve Salyards\"}}]}<\/script>\n<!-- \/ Yoast SEO plugin. -->","yoast_head_json":{"title":"Presbyterians Do Things Differently - The GA Junkie","robots":{"index":"index","follow":"follow","max-snippet":"max-snippet:-1","max-image-preview":"max-image-preview:large","max-video-preview":"max-video-preview:-1"},"canonical":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589","og_locale":"en_US","og_type":"article","og_title":"Presbyterians Do Things Differently - The GA Junkie","og_description":"Love it or hate it Presbyterians are big on committees.&nbsp; That is how we do things as a Covenant Community.&nbsp; That is how we hold ourselves accountable.&nbsp; And it allows [&hellip;]","og_url":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589","og_site_name":"The GA Junkie","article_published_time":"2009-06-03T10:51:00+00:00","author":"Steve Salyards","twitter_misc":{"Written by":"Steve Salyards","Est. reading time":"3 minutes"},"schema":{"@context":"https:\/\/schema.org","@graph":[{"@type":"Article","@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589#article","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589"},"author":{"name":"Steve Salyards","@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#\/schema\/person\/e30c1b854f165e0423ea436d3961c1c0"},"headline":"Presbyterians Do Things Differently","datePublished":"2009-06-03T10:51:00+00:00","mainEntityOfPage":{"@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589"},"wordCount":623,"commentCount":2,"publisher":{"@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#organization"},"articleSection":["Episcopal Church","PC(USA)","same-sex unions"],"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"CommentAction","name":"Comment","target":["https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589#respond"]}]},{"@type":"WebPage","@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589","url":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589","name":"Presbyterians Do Things Differently - The GA Junkie","isPartOf":{"@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#website"},"datePublished":"2009-06-03T10:51:00+00:00","breadcrumb":{"@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589#breadcrumb"},"inLanguage":"en-US","potentialAction":[{"@type":"ReadAction","target":["https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589"]}]},{"@type":"BreadcrumbList","@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=589#breadcrumb","itemListElement":[{"@type":"ListItem","position":1,"name":"Home","item":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/"},{"@type":"ListItem","position":2,"name":"Presbyterians Do Things Differently"}]},{"@type":"WebSite","@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#website","url":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/","name":"The GA Junkie","description":"The Politics of Presbyterianism","publisher":{"@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#organization"},"potentialAction":[{"@type":"SearchAction","target":{"@type":"EntryPoint","urlTemplate":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?s={search_term_string}"},"query-input":{"@type":"PropertyValueSpecification","valueRequired":true,"valueName":"search_term_string"}}],"inLanguage":"en-US"},{"@type":"Organization","@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#organization","name":"GA Junkie","url":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/","logo":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/","url":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Cross-Square.jpg","contentUrl":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/Cross-Square.jpg","width":1,"height":1,"caption":"GA Junkie"},"image":{"@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#\/schema\/logo\/image\/"},"sameAs":["https:\/\/x.com\/ga_junkie"]},{"@type":"Person","@id":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/#\/schema\/person\/e30c1b854f165e0423ea436d3961c1c0","name":"Steve Salyards","image":{"@type":"ImageObject","inLanguage":"en-US","@id":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f098d5fd6e11f0399f5340bc917d2834c81c2c84247856402d200760feff0c86?s=96&d=mm&r=g","url":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f098d5fd6e11f0399f5340bc917d2834c81c2c84247856402d200760feff0c86?s=96&d=mm&r=g","contentUrl":"https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/f098d5fd6e11f0399f5340bc917d2834c81c2c84247856402d200760feff0c86?s=96&d=mm&r=g","caption":"Steve Salyards"}}]}},"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/589","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=589"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/589\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=589"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=589"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=589"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}