{"id":607,"date":"2009-05-07T04:04:00","date_gmt":"2009-05-07T11:04:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=607"},"modified":"2009-05-07T04:04:00","modified_gmt":"2009-05-07T11:04:00","slug":"voting-trends-for-amendment-08-b-part-2-summary-statistics-for-the-presbyteries","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=607","title":{"rendered":"Voting Trends For Amendment 08-B &#8212; Part 2 &#8211; Summary Statistics For The Presbyteries"},"content":{"rendered":"<div> <\/div>\n<p>In the last week the news on Amendment 08-B includes: (1) Five more presbyteries have voted with one a repeat &#8220;yes,&#8221; three switching from &#8220;no&#8221; to &#8220;yes,&#8221; and one repeat &#8220;no.&#8221;&nbsp; This puts the unofficial vote at 73-90.&nbsp; (2) The <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pcusa.org\/generalassembly\/vote08.htm\">official count<\/a> at the Office of the General Assembly now confirms Amendment 08-B as being the only Amendment to be defeated in this round.<\/p>\n<p>While the dominant &#8220;yes&#8221; vote this week has resulted in some minor changes in the summary statistics I discussed <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/2009\/04\/28\/voting-trends-for-amendment-08b--part-1--summary-statistics.aspx\">last time<\/a>, the basic conclusions still hold and I will update those statistics later related to the overall conclusions.<\/p>\n<p>I now want to turn to the numbers that first caught my attention and that probably stand by themselves with the least need of dissection or interpretation.<\/p>\n<p><u>Presbytery vote counts<\/u><br \/>Much has been made of the change in the percentage of &#8220;Yes&#8221; votes between the Amendment 01-A vote and the 08-B vote.&nbsp; This &#8220;vote swing&#8221; has been pointed at as an indicator of changes in the denomination, primarily changes in attitude concerning this issue.<\/p>\n<p>But as I pointed out in the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/2009\/04\/28\/voting-trends-for-amendment-08b--part-1--summary-statistics.aspx\">first part of this series<\/a>, in the total vote numbers the actual number of &#8220;Yes&#8221; votes is substantially unchanged from the previous vote while the number of &#8220;No&#8221; votes has decreased by about 3000 or roughly 14%.&nbsp; Now, I do believe it is more complex than just saying the &#8220;No&#8221; votes are not showing up for presbytery meetings or leaving the presbyteries, but if you want to reduce the changes in the vote numbers to a <i>single cause<\/i> that would be it &#8212; no changed attitudes just changed demographics.&nbsp; (See the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/2009\/04\/28\/voting-trends-for-amendment-08b--part-1--summary-statistics.aspx\">first post<\/a> for a more detailed discussion of possible factors and combinations of those factors.)<\/p>\n<p>Viewing this on a Presbytery level is when you see that it is a more complex situation.&nbsp; (Again, my previous post on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/2009\/03\/17\/a-word-of-hope-from-the-amendment-08b-voting-trends.aspx\">every presbytery is different<\/a>.)&nbsp; But as would be expected the general trend is the same as the combined numbers.<\/p>\n<p>As before, my data comes from the usual sources, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.presbyweb.com\/Indexes\/votes-08-B.htm\">PresbyWeb<\/a> and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.presbycoalition.org\/votingresults.cfm\">Presbyterian Coalition<\/a>.&nbsp; I am still considering 01-A and 08-B as similar amendments so that their voting records can be compared.&nbsp; (As I will show in the second post from now this may not be valid for 100% of the presbyteries, but it looks like a good working hypothesis for most.)&nbsp; And in the analysis I am about to present I use the ratio of the number of votes on 08-B to the number of votes on 01-A.&nbsp; This can result in a divide by zero error if there were no votes in that category for 01-A and can produce large ratios when there were a small number in 01-A.&nbsp; The number of instances of each of these are limited.<\/p>\n<p>So here we go with the charts and graphs and the 27 8&#215;10 color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one&#8230;&nbsp; Or something like that.<\/p>\n<p>The three frequency distribution graphs below illustrate what caught my attention <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/2008\/11\/17\/an-interesting-trend-in-pcusa-amendment-voting.aspx\">from the very beginning<\/a> of the voting on Amendment 08-B.&nbsp; They are the distributions of the ratio of the number of votes in each category (yes votes, no votes and total votes).&nbsp; The red arrow is the average and the solid line running vertically through all three is the value of 1.0. (no change)&nbsp; As you can see they are aligned with the same horizontal scale for visual comparison.&nbsp; Frequency count bins are 0.05 wide and the number listed on the x-axis is the upper inclusive value of the bin.&nbsp; For the &#8220;yes&#8221; votes there are six more presbyteries off the right hand side of the scale but I do not show them so all three graphs can be scaled equally. (The large ratios are mostly due to changes in small numbers.)&nbsp; Those presbyteries are included in the statistics.&nbsp; For the two presbyteries that had no yes votes on either vote their ratio for &#8220;yes&#8221; is fixed at 1.0.&nbsp; For the one presbytery that changed from no &#8220;yes&#8221; to one &#8220;yes&#8221; it was entered as 2.0.&nbsp; (Yes, I probably should have discarded them but I haven&#8217;t.)<\/p>\n<div> <\/div>\n<div> <\/div>\n<div> <\/div>\n<p><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/images.quickblogcast.com\/16461-15728\/08_B_Freq_Dist2.jpg?resize=518%2C896\" width=\"518\" height=\"896\"><\/p>\n<div> <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div> <\/div>\n<div> <\/div>\n<p>For the &#8220;Yes&#8221; votes the average is 1.06, the median is 1.00 and the standard deviation is 0.42.&nbsp; For the &#8220;No&#8221; votes the average is 0.76, the median is 0.75, and the standard deviation is 0.21.&nbsp; For the total number of votes the average is 0.87, the median is 0.86 and the standard deviation is 0.20.&nbsp; For all three groups the number of presbyteries counted is 147.&nbsp; While the distributions have the general appearance of being normally distributed and follow the central limit theorem I&#8217;ll address the exact nature of the distributions later in this series.<\/p>\n<p>For those who are looking for the bottom line &#8212; The number of &#8220;Yes&#8221; votes in the presbyteries shows a slight to no increase, the number of &#8220;No&#8221; votes shows a significant downward shift, and the total number of commissioners voting show a more moderate decrease.&nbsp; In fact, only 12 presbyteries, 8%, have an increase in the number of commissioners voting no and 43 presbyteries, 29%, show a ratio greater than 0.95 for the ratio of total number of votes cast on 08-B versus 01-A.&nbsp; That would be a low probability of just being random variation.<\/p>\n<p>Another interesting feature is how much wider the spread of values is on &#8220;Yes&#8221; votes than &#8220;No&#8221; votes with a standard deviation of 0.42 for the former and 0.21 for the latter.&nbsp; Some of this can be attributed to presbyteries that have very low numbers of &#8220;Yes&#8221; votes so a change of one or two votes can produce a very large ration.&nbsp; But in spite of that a visual comparison of the &#8220;Yes&#8221; and the &#8220;No&#8221; distributions shows a markedly wider distribution for the &#8220;Yes&#8221; differences.&nbsp; So it can be said that the number of &#8220;No&#8221; votes more uniformly declined while the &#8220;Yes&#8221; vote showed no decline in the average but more variability in the changes.<\/p>\n<p><u>Changes in vote percentages<\/u><br \/>As I mentioned above the percentages of yes and no votes, without regard to the changing size of the populations, has been a focus in this voting round.&nbsp; So here for your viewing pleasure are those frequency distributions for the presbyteries.<br \/><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/images.quickblogcast.com\/16461-15728\/08_B_Vote_Freq_Dist2.jpg?resize=518%2C645\" width=\"518\" height=\"645\"><br \/>For 01-A the average &#8220;Yes&#8221; vote was 0.42 and for 08-B it was 0.48.&nbsp; While the average shifted upward the standard deviations were relatively close at 0.16 on the first and 0.19 on the second.&nbsp; In this view the distributions show somewhat different shapes but the upward shift is still visible.<\/p>\n<p><u>Total vote ratio with time<\/u><br \/>I throw in the following graph for fun.&nbsp; It shows how the ratio of the total number of votes changed as voting proceeded.<br \/><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/images.quickblogcast.com\/16461-15728\/08_B_Time_Series.jpg?resize=520%2C322\" width=\"520\" height=\"322\"><br \/>It is tempting to attribute higher turnouts later in the voting to increased awareness, get-out-the-vote campaigns, or people getting nervous\/hopeful about the outcome.&nbsp; But note that the scatter also increases.&nbsp; This slight, and maybe statistically insignificant (R-squared is only 0.01)<br \/>\nincrease can be nearly completely accounted for by the fact that &#8220;No&#8221; presbyteries voted earlier and &#8220;Yes&#8221; presbyteries generally voted later so the sustained level of &#8220;Yes&#8221; votes late in the process tilts the trend line.<\/p>\n<p>Well, now that I have gotten your eyes to glaze over properly today I will leave you with that data to ponder until next time.&nbsp; No further discussion or conclusions now &#8212; I&#8217;ll leave that until I&#8217;ve spread a bit more data before you.&nbsp; Having now looked at the numbers as the whole group of presbyteries next time I&#8217;ll split the presbyteries apart into a couple of different groupings and see if that shows anything interesting.&nbsp; After that I&#8217;ll expand the study to include all four votes and ask whether any given year is different, or different enough.<\/p>\n<div> <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n<div> <\/div>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>In the last week the news on Amendment 08-B includes: (1) Five more presbyteries have voted with one a repeat &#8220;yes,&#8221; 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