{"id":671,"date":"2009-01-21T20:17:00","date_gmt":"2009-01-22T04:17:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=671"},"modified":"2009-01-21T20:17:00","modified_gmt":"2009-01-22T04:17:00","slug":"some-brief-observations-on-pcusa-amendment-08-b-voting","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=671","title":{"rendered":"Some Brief Observations On PC(USA) Amendment 08-B Voting"},"content":{"rendered":"

In the last week and a half five more presbyteries have voted on Amendment 08-B (the modification of G-6.0106b that would remove “fidelity and chastity” language) sent to the presbyteries by the 218th General Assembly<\/a> of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)<\/a>.  Some brief news, observations and comments…<\/p>\n

1)  The unofficial vote count now is 4 yes and 14 no.  You can follow the unofficial vote count at The Layman<\/a>, Presbyweb<\/a>, or the Presbyterian Coalition<\/a>.<\/p>\n

2)  The official vote count, that is those votes that have been received by the Office of the Stated Clerk, is 1 yes and 11 no.  The official tally list<\/a> has the reported votes for all the amendments and ecumenical statements.<\/p>\n

3)  At this time no presbytery has switched its vote from the last similar vote in 2001-2002.<\/p>\n

4) The National Korean Presbyterian Council<\/a>, an organization of 400 Korean churches in the PC(USA), has sent a letter to the churches in the PC(USA) arguing against any changes to G-6.0106b.  The letter is available in Word format<\/a> from the Presbyterian Coalition<\/a> web site.<\/p>\n

5)  About 10% of the presbyteries have now voted — 18 of 173.  The final tally in 2002 was 46-127, the current 4-14 mirrors 10% of that pretty well.  This is either by shear luck (or providence) or voting order is pretty random if the final numbers end up about the same as the last vote.<\/p>\n

6)  The decline in total numbers of commissioners voting continues with vote totals being an average of 80% of what they were in 2001-2002, a trend I noted earlier<\/a> and my analysis has been confirmed by The Layman<\/a> with a bit more data and similar explanations.<\/p>\n

7)  In a fit of shear geekiness I threw together a model to project the presbytery vote counts into the future.  I’m still refining the methodology and would like to have more data from this round before I put out my forecast for the future of G-6.0106b.  Stay tuned for that.  But one striking feature of my current model projecting forward three GA’s  (2014) is that in that time as many presbyteries disappear (decline to zero votes) as change their votes.  I was not expecting that many to disappear, that was not part of the model, so I’m looking to see if that is a reasonable result and rethinking some of my algorithms for the next iteration.<\/p>\n

I won’t go into more details on this topic since not much has really changed with this situation since my previous discussion, the favorable response of More Light Presbyterians<\/a> to a string of three yes votes in one day, not withstanding.  Maybe the one significant piece of news is that only 18 presbyteries have voted so far, a number below past votes, and that might suggest the discernment process the GA recommended is being used and presbyteries are taking time to discuss this issue.  I’ll update again when there is significant news or more data.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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