{"id":677,"date":"2009-01-10T19:28:00","date_gmt":"2009-01-11T03:28:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=677"},"modified":"2009-01-10T19:28:00","modified_gmt":"2009-01-11T03:28:00","slug":"further-news-and-comments-on-the-developing-controversy-in-the-church-of-scotland","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=677","title":{"rendered":"Further News And Comments On The Developing Controversy In The Church Of Scotland"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>My thanks to the Rev. Ian Watson of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.kirkmuirhillchurch.co.uk\/\">Kirkmuirhill<\/a> and his blog <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/kirkmuirhillrev.wordpress.com\">Kirkmuirhillrev<\/a> which has been a great source of information in this controversy.&nbsp; Also, my apologies for not realizing that two of the blog entries I cited in <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/2009\/01\/09\/controversy-over-a-pastoral-call-in-the-church-of-scotland.aspx\">my first post<\/a> were essentially identical, and the second was copied from Rev. Watson&#8217;s original.&nbsp; I have added a clarification to that post.<\/p>\n<p>Rev. Watson has a <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/kirkmuirhillrev.wordpress.com\/2009\/01\/09\/more-news\/\">second post<\/a> with some more information on the matter, pointing us to an <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thescottishsun.co.uk\/scotsol\/homepage\/news\/article2103635.ece\">article in The Sun<\/a>.&nbsp; In that article there is a quote from an unnamed worshiper who says [italics in the original]:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><i>\u201cWhat he does outside the church should be his business and nobody else\u2019s.\u201d <\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Now, I want to set aside the fact that this controversy is about sexual orientation and speak generally about this quote.&nbsp; I also realize that I am taking this quote out of context, not that there was much in the original article.<\/p>\n<p>What condition is the church in if we don&#8217;t care about people&#8217;s lives outside of church?&nbsp; The quote seems to convey the modern attitude that religion is a private affair and how it interacts with our lives the other 6.75 days of the week is no business of anyone else.&nbsp; I find this particularly ironic coming from a member of the Church of Scotland.&nbsp; While the CofS has since adopted the Westminster Confession of Faith as a principle standard, regular readers of this blog know my affection for the notes of the Kirk (Church) in Chapter 18 of the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.crivoice.org\/creedscots.html\">Scots Confession<\/a> (emphasis mine):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The notes of the true Kirk, therefore, we believe, confess, and avow to<br \/>\nbe: first, the true preaching of the word of God, in which God has<br \/>\nrevealed himself to us, as the writings of the prophets and apostles<br \/>\ndeclare; secondly, the right administration of the sacraments of Christ<br \/>\nJesus, to which must be joined the word and promise of God to seal and<br \/>\nconfirm them in our hearts; and lastly, <i>ecclesiastical discipline<br \/>\nuprightly ministered, as God&#8217;s word prescribes, whereby vice is<br \/>\nrepressed and virtue nourished.<\/i><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The church is not about an hour on the Lord&#8217;s Day but it lays claim to our whole lives.&nbsp; And the church is not just the kirk session keeping watch on us, although they have primary responsibility for ecclesiastical discipline, but the whole covenant community caring for each other.<\/p>\n<p>OK, down off soap box.<\/p>\n<p>Back to the specifics of this particular controversy:&nbsp; The article in The Sun quotes the locum preacher at Queen&#8217;s Cross Church, The Rev. Mike Mair, as saying: \u201cQueen\u2019s Cross elected [The Rev.] Scott [Rennie],<br \/>\nwith a trivial number \u2014 like ten out of 200 \u2014 voting against him.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In addition, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thecourier.co.uk\/output\/2009\/01\/10\/newsstory12480147t0.asp\">an article in The Courier<\/a> provides a bit more background on Rev. Rennie (interesting to see the ties back to U.S. seminaries):<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Mr Rennie was born and raised in Bucksburn in  Aberdeen.<\/p>\n<p>He served as assistant at Queen\u2019s Cross church before winning the Scots Fellowship to study for a masters in sacred theology at <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.utsnyc.edu\">Union Theological Seminary in New York City<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>He returned to the UK in 1999 when he was called to be minister at the [Brechin] cathedral.<\/p>\n<p>He is on the Church of Scotland\u2019s taskforce on human sexuality and is treasurer of <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.onekirk.org\/\">OneKirk<\/a>\u2014a network of ministers and members of the Church of Scotland working for an inclusive, progressive church.<\/p>\n<p>He is working towards a doctor of ministry degree at Aberdeen University and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pts.edu\/\">Pittsburgh Theological Seminary<\/a> in Pennsylvania.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The information from Rev. Watson is that this call is being protested so we will see how it develops.&nbsp; In addition, he adds that <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.forwardtogether.org.uk\/\">Forward Together<\/a>, the evangelical network in the CofS, has not commented yet.<\/p>\n<p><u>Update:<\/u>&nbsp; First, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.forwardtogether.org.uk\/\">Forward Together<\/a> has now issued a statement expressing their concern about the call of Rev. Rennie.&nbsp; Second, thanks to Reformed Catholic for his comment below with information about the cooperative D.Min. program Mr. Rennie is in.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>My thanks to the Rev. 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