{"id":686,"date":"2008-12-15T20:41:00","date_gmt":"2008-12-16T04:41:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=686"},"modified":"2008-12-15T20:41:00","modified_gmt":"2008-12-16T04:41:00","slug":"the-twists-and-turns-of-pursuing-a-pastoral-call","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=686","title":{"rendered":"The Twists And Turns Of Pursuing A Pastoral Call"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I am a ruling elder, not a minister of word and sacrament, so I don&#8217;t have any of my own stories of pursuing a pastoral call as the candidate.&nbsp; Having served on my presbytery&#8217;s committee on ministry, and been the COM liaison to several pastor nominating committees, I have stories from the other side.&nbsp; But with the increase in blogging there are numerous first-hand accounts of candidacy and seeking a call.<\/p>\n<p>Adam Copland is regularly writing about his experience in seminary and his progress towards a call and ordination in the PC(USA).&nbsp; He has a monthly &#8220;Seminary Reflections&#8221; piece on <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/pcusablog.blogspot.com\/\">Presbyterian Bloggers<\/a> (Adam&#8217;s contributions from <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/pcusablog.blogspot.com\/2008\/10\/seminary-reflections-class-choice.html\">October<\/a>, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/pcusablog.blogspot.com\/2008\/11\/seminary-reflections-day-in-life_14.html\">November<\/a>, and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/pcusablog.blogspot.com\/2008\/12\/seminary-reflections.html\">December<\/a>).&nbsp; He usually also posts these on his own blog, <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/adamjcopeland.com\/\">A Wee Blether<\/a>.&nbsp; Beyond the Seminary Reflections series he has other posts on his blog regarding the process and situation, including a <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/adamjcopeland.com\/2008\/12\/03\/the-huge-problem-of-the-clergy-shortage-that-doesnt-exist\/\">recent post<\/a> about &#8220;The huge problem of the clergy shortage that doesn&#8217;t exist.&#8221;&nbsp; In summary the PC(USA) has roughly twice as many clergy as churches and while the number of churches is declining, the number of clergy is stable.&nbsp; For churches-seeking-clergy and clergy-seeking-churches, it is not really a pure supply\/demand problem, but a distribution, affordability, and experience mis-match.&nbsp; And don&#8217;t just read the article, keep reading the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/adamjcopeland.com\/2008\/12\/03\/the-huge-problem-of-the-clergy-shortage-that-doesnt-exist\/#comments\">comments<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Another blogger who is just finishing seminary and has been <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/backwoodspresbyterian.wordpress.com\/2008\/10\/23\/class-schedule-for-my-last-term-in-seminary\/\">keeping us updated<\/a> on his journey is Benjamin Glaser who writes the blog <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/backwoodspresbyterian.wordpress.com\">Backwoods Presbyterian<\/a>.&nbsp; While his blog is usually very theologically oriented, there are good insights into his journey as a student at <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pts.edu\/\">Pittsburgh Theological Seminary<\/a> and <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.rpts.edu\/\">Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary<\/a>, also in Pittsburgh.&nbsp; He is under care of the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.arpchurch.org\/Site\/Home.html\">Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>I also enjoyed the account by &#8220;Danny&#8221; of her time as a probationer in the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.churchofscotland.org.uk\/\">Church of Scotland<\/a> and the task of &#8220;hunting a charge&#8221; in her blog &#8220;<a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/rumoursofangels.blogspot.com\">Rumors of Angels?<\/a>&#8221;&nbsp; There are more great stories in that blog than for any other candidate\/inquirer\/probationer I can think of.&nbsp; One that I have bookmarked, and can totally see happening after my time on COM, is <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/rumoursofangels.blogspot.com\/2008\/09\/talk-of-town.html\">her story<\/a> about doing a neutral pulpit at a church for one pastor search committee, and being a &#8220;small world,&#8221; another search committee that was considering her out caught word of it and showed up as well.&nbsp; I can tell you a bunch of similar stories about confidentiality not being kept and news getting back to home churches and presbyteries before the candidate.&nbsp; As Danny puts it:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>I mentioned the difficulties with confidentiality previously &#8230; about<br \/>\nbeing discussed on the golf course&#8230; in shops&#8230; and via the \u2018old<br \/>\nboy\u2019s\u2019 network. Well add the dentist to that list!<\/p>\n<p>The church<br \/>\nwhere I was preaching (for reasons of confidentiality) did not know<br \/>\nuntil this morning that I would be preaching instead of their regular<br \/>\nminister, but one of their members overheard all the details of what<br \/>\nwas going down last Tuesday while in the dentist\u2019s waiting room&#8230; hey<br \/>\nho! I felt quite sorry for the interim moderator who was doing it all<br \/>\n\u2018by the book\u2019 and trying her best to look after the interests of \u2018her\u2019<br \/>\nnominating committee&#8230; meanwhile this second committee were discussing<br \/>\nme all over town.<\/p>\n<p>Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Well&#8230;<br \/>\nif nothing else you have to laugh&#8230; and so we did! For some reason the<br \/>\nthought of my being discussed in the dentist seems hilarious&#8230; surreal<br \/>\neven&#8230; when I go to the dentist I am too worried about potential pain<br \/>\nand discomfort&#8230; injections, drills and fillings&#8230; to talk to anyone.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>While Danny has been successful, there are others who are not, and &#8220;Cavman&#8221; over at <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/cavman.wordpress.com\/\">Cavman Considers<\/a> has been between pastorates for a while and been giving us discrete glimpses of his search.&nbsp; In a <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/cavman.wordpress.com\/2008\/12\/13\/considering-an-interesting-thought\/\">recent post<\/a> he tabulates the churches that have rejected his application but are still without a pastor.&nbsp; He concludes:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>So, 5 churches think it\u2019s better to not have a pastor than to have me<br \/>\n(and the other 50 applicants) as their pastor.&nbsp; Interesting.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[With no judgment on Cavman&#8217;s situation, let me say that filling a pastoral position is not like filling a corporate position, it is a &#8220;God Thing,&#8221; a discernment process where both the search committee and the candidates are trying to sense the will of God and who He is calling to that position.&nbsp; I can&#8217;t speak for any of Cavman&#8217;s rejections, but I have my own stories (from the other side) that I can and will share another time, about where I am certain God was, and was not, calling individuals to particular positions.]<\/p>\n<p>And finally, if you think your candidates&#8217; committee or denomination has unusual requirements, here is one that would keep a few pastors I know out of the pastorate.&nbsp; I leave you with this:&nbsp; A <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/samaw.com\/no-more-tattoos-for-pastors-said-mizoram-synod\/752\">news item<\/a> about the <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/mizoramsynod.org\/\">Mizoram Presbyterian Church<\/a>&#8216;s highest governing body, the Mizoram Synod.&nbsp; In the meeting this week they have passed a requirement that:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cFrom now on someone who is tattooed will not be allowed to be ordained<br \/>\nas Probationary Pastors (of Mizoram Presbyterian Church).\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>[For background, the Mizoram Presbyterian Church Synod is a constitutate member of the Presbyterian Church of India General Assembly.&nbsp; Mizoram State is in the far northeast corner of India and through missionary work in the late 19th Century the population is predominantly Christian and the Presbyterian Church has a major influence.&nbsp; Please keep praying for the violence in other parts of India where the Christians are a minority.]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I am a ruling elder, not a minister of word and sacrament, so I don&#8217;t have any of my own stories of pursuing a pastoral call as the candidate.&nbsp; Having [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[26,90,9],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-686","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-commentary","category-human-interest","category-polity"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>The Twists And Turns Of Pursuing A Pastoral Call - The GA Junkie<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=686\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"The Twists And Turns Of Pursuing A Pastoral Call - The GA Junkie\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"I am a ruling elder, not a minister of word and sacrament, so I don&#8217;t have any of my own stories of pursuing a pastoral call as the candidate.&nbsp; 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