{"id":714,"date":"2008-10-23T03:30:00","date_gmt":"2008-10-23T10:30:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=714"},"modified":"2008-10-23T03:30:00","modified_gmt":"2008-10-23T10:30:00","slug":"the-legal-cases-over-property-counting-the-cost","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=714","title":{"rendered":"The Legal Cases Over Property &#8212; Counting The Cost"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.pcusa.org\/\">Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)<\/a> came out of its 218th General Assembly with an interesting tension.&nbsp; On the one hand, it created a $2 million dollar legal fund to help presbyteries with legal costs of fighting churches wanting leave the denomination with their property.&nbsp; (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.pc-biz.org\/Explorer.aspx?id=2107\" target=\"_blank\">PC-biz<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/2008\/06\/27\/friday-morning-in-san-jose.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">my post<\/a>)&nbsp; On the other hand, it passed a resolution &#8220;urging a gracious, pastoral response to churches requesting dismissal.&#8221;&nbsp; (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.pc-biz.org\/Explorer.aspx?id=2137\" target=\"_blank\">PC-biz<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/robertaustell.blogspot.com\/2008\/07\/god-on-move.html\" target=\"_blank\">author&#8217;s comments<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>Much of the legal action that has happened in the last couple of weeks was in process at the time of GA and I find interesting the tension, or paradox, that each side had in the arguments <a href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/2008\/10\/08\/property-cases-argued-before-the-california-supreme-court-today.aspx\" target=\"_blank\">before the California Supreme Court<\/a> two weeks ago.&nbsp; From the congregations&#8217; point of view, in spiritual matters the congregation agreed to the denomination&#8217;s rules, but the property is not a spiritual matter.&nbsp; From the denomination&#8217;s perspective, in this and other cases, if a church chooses to leave the denomination that is one thing, but they can&#8217;t take their property with them.&nbsp; So we are getting the property separated from the spiritual and the mission aspects of the church.<\/p>\n<p>As you have probably heard, in another current property battle <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.thekirk.com\/\">Kirk of the Hill Presbyterian Church<\/a> in Tulsa, OK, has decided by a narrow margin to buy back their property from <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.eokpresbytery.org\/\">Eastern Oklahoma Presbytery<\/a> after the court awarded the property to the presbytery upon the Kirk&#8217;s departure from the PC(USA) to the EPC.&nbsp; The congregation&#8217;s vote was 508 to 483 to pay the Presbytery $1.75 million for the property settlement.&nbsp; (More details in the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tulsaworld.com\/news\/article.aspx?articleID=20081019_1__Bythe51410\" target=\"_blank\">Tulsa World article<\/a>)<\/p>\n<p>In the midst of these court battles and financial settlements individuals are beginning to ask the question about the financial cost of these actions and how it diverts resources from the mission of the church.<\/p>\n<p>One person who has publicly asked this question is Dr. Richard Mouw, PC(USA) elder and President of Fuller Theological Seminary.&nbsp; In his <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.netbloghost.com\/mouw\/?p=93\">October 13th Mouw&#8217;s Musings<\/a> he talks about a conversation with a friend who suggests that the disputing sides should negotiate a compromise and contribute the amount they would have spent on legal costs to the care of AIDS orphans in Africa.&nbsp; Dr. Mouw notes:<\/p>\n<div style=\"margin-left: 40px;\">The mainline Presbyterian (PCUSA) denomination to which I belong is<br \/>\nexperiencing many property disputes right now, as some congregations<br \/>\nare leaving for what they see as greener ecclesiastical pastures. When<br \/>\nyou look at the issue historically, it is a bit ironic that the leaders<br \/>\nof major Protestant denominations are so adamant in their right to hold<br \/>\nonto church properties, against the claims of the dissenters. At the<br \/>\ntime of the Reformation the Protestants grabbed hold of Catholic<br \/>\nproperties with abandon\u2014monasteries and convents as well as places of<br \/>\nworship\u2014and they also simply destroyed much of the contents of those<br \/>\nbuildings: statues, altars, and the like. And all of this was done<br \/>\nwithout any respect for the claims of those who had strong moral and<br \/>\nlegal claims to ownership of those properties. To the \u201cbreakaway\u201d<br \/>\ngroups belonged the spoils.<\/div>\n<p>And he closes with this:<\/p>\n<div style=\"margin-left: 40px;\">Such an arrangement [the contributions to AIDS orphans] would have important spiritual benefits. It would<br \/>\nhelp both sides to see themselves as using our disagreements to<br \/>\naccomplish something together for the Lord\u2019s work. And it could help to<br \/>\nreduce our anger toward each other, presenting all parties with an<br \/>\nopportunity to be gracious toward our opponents.<\/div>\n<p>The second article along these lines comes from <a target=\"_blank\" href=\"http:\/\/www.virtueonline.org\/portal\/modules\/news\/article.php?storyid=9202\">Jim Oakes on the blog VirtueOnline<\/a> where he points out that in the Virginia Episcopal cases millions of dollars have been spent on both sides in the legal action when &#8220;so many alternatives have been available.&#8221;&nbsp; While he notes that the issues are important and complex he also says &#8220;We can only hope and pray that Episcopal leaders will realize that the<br \/>\nhigh cost of this litigation has not done one thing to further the<br \/>\nmission of God&#8217;s church in any way.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>So what we as the church do is an important witness to the world about our faith and life.&nbsp; Yes, I know that there are a variety of circumstances and in different cases different parties have exercised the legal option first.&nbsp; But in this do we all consider the way the world views it and in the end, if the denomination is left with an empty building, what has been accomplished?&nbsp; It is interesting that Dr. Mouw uses the phrase &#8220;opportunity to be gracious toward our opponents.&#8221;&nbsp; Remember the central part of what the GA passed in June placing responsibility on all parties:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>2.&nbsp;&nbsp;<br \/>\nBelieving that trying to exercise this responsibility and power through<br \/>\nlitigation is deadly to the cause of Christ, impacting the local<br \/>\nchurch, other parts of the Body of Christ and ecumenical relationships,<br \/>\nand our witness to Christ in the world around us, the General Assembly urges congregations considering leaving the denomination, presbyteries, and synods to implement a process using the following principles:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><i>Consistency<\/i>: The local authority delegated to presbyteries is guided and shaped by our shared faith, service, and witness to Jesus Christ.<\/li>\n<li><i>Pastoral Responsibility<\/i>: The<br \/>\nrequirement in G-11.0103i to consult with the members of a church<br \/>\nseeking dismissal highlights the presbytery\u2019s pastoral responsibility,<br \/>\nwhich must not be submerged beneath other responsibilities.<\/li>\n<li><i>Accountability<\/i>: For a governing body,<br \/>\naccountability rightly dictates fiduciary and connectional concerns,<br \/>\nraising general issues of property (G-8.0000) and specific issues of<br \/>\nschism within a congregation (G-8.0600). But, full accountability also<br \/>\nrequires preeminent concern with \u201ccaring for the flock.\u201d <\/li>\n<li><i>Gracious Witness<\/i>: It is our belief that Scripture and the Holy Spirit require a gracious witness from us rather than a harsh legalism.<\/li>\n<li><i>Openness and Transparency<\/i>: Early, open<br \/>\ncommunication and transparency about principles and process of<br \/>\ndismissal necessarily serve truth, order, and goodness, and work<br \/>\nagainst seeking civil litigation as a solution.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) came out of its 218th General Assembly with an interesting tension.&nbsp; On the one hand, it created a $2 million dollar legal fund to help presbyteries [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[108,3,5,43],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-714","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-anglican-church","category-news","category-pcusa","category-property"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.2 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>The Legal Cases Over Property - Counting The Cost - The GA Junkie<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/blog.gajunkie.com\/?p=714\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"The Legal Cases Over Property - Counting The Cost - The GA Junkie\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) came out of its 218th General Assembly with an interesting tension.&nbsp; 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