Category Archives: PC(USA)

Presbytery response to congregation leaving PC(USA)

Greetings,

  The Layman has continued it’s coverage of the developments in the vote of the congregation of Riverside Presbyterian Church in Linn Grove, Iowa.  The Layman reports, and includes the official notice, of a called presbytery meeting for next Monday, August 14.  I have been watching the Presbytery’s web site but it appears they either don’t regularly maintain it or this item has not, or will not, be posted there.  I refer you to the Layman for the full text of the article.

   I do want to comment on the notice for the presbytery meeting.  The Layman article implies that the presbytery is using strong handed tactics against the congregation.  Since the Layman has gotten a copy of the notice they probably have some additional inside specifics which I don’t have.  However, the notice appears on the surface to be what any presbyterian polity wonk would expect in this case.  The presbytery is going to be asked to form an administrative commission, our way of not making all the work be done at presbytery meetings.  That commission has the usual powers that we give it in this case:  To investigate the situation, confirm that the session and members wish to leave the PC(USA) and based upon that to determine what will happen next.  I will admit that I’m not sure the first power granted, to dissolve the pastoral relationship between pastor and congregation, is usual, but it seems reasonable here.  And of most interest to me, the commission is only granted the power to make a recommendation to presbytery about the property, not to do anything themselves.

   Let me step even further into the realm of commentary:  From reading the call for the presbytery meeting I see it as doing things decently and in order.  The congregation clearly wants to leave, we have a procedure to carry that out.  Now it is up to the commission and the presbytery to decide if it will be done decently and in order and with what measure of grace the procedure will be carried out.  It is in the carrying out of this process that our Christian faith and love will be tested and displayed to the world.  If my opinion matters, I would call on both sides to work through this process displaying the fruit of the Spirit (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control) and a large measure of God’s grace.  I know that several times in my presbytery we have resorted to legalism over grace and have gotten it wrong in the process.  May it not be so here.

Blessings
Steve

Latest case in the PC(USA) ordination standards debate – Mission Presbytery

Greetings,

    I am trying to verify this news via “official sources” but I noticed today on the blog “A Classical Presbyterian” that another PJC case will be heard regarding ordination standards and examination for candidacy in Mission Presbytery.  Whether this will end up being a “test case” for the new authoritative interpretation will have to be seen since the presbytery meeting where the disputed action occurred was in October 2005.  According to the blog the presbytery, in a very heated and unruly debate (what happened to “decently and in order”) admitted to candidacy a woman who is a “self-affirming practicing homosexual.”  I encourage you to read the comments on “A Classical Presbyterian” posted today (July 31).  I will see if any “standard” news sources pick this up.

Switching from news to commentary…
Test case?  I’m not sure this will end up being that but it will be interesting to see if the new AI does play into this.  I think the date being pre-GA 217 and the fact that it is an argument over being admitted to candidacy will make this case a bit different.  I know that in a similar situation in my presbytery a few years ago that the presbytery did not view this as a test of G6.0106b or G6.0108 since the advancement to candidacy did not involve ordination.  The general feeing among people in that debate seemed to be “we will approve it, this is not ordination, we will approve candidacy so that the individual can continue to work out their sense of call, but if this examination were for ordination the answer would be no.”

Trial by the Synod PJC is set for Sept. 9th.  Stay tuned.