The 219th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA) — But Will The Presbyteries Concur?

Yesterday at the 219th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) two high-profile business items were approved that will now require the concurrence of the presbyteries.  As a change to the Book of Order, or maybe better expressed as a revision of a major portion of the Book of Order, the new revised Form of Government and new Foundations of Presbyterian Polity sections will require a majority vote of the presbyteries to be adopted.  On the other hand, the Belhar Confession will require two-thirds of the presbyteries to agree to be included in the Book of Confessions.  After these were approved by the Assembly plenary I was musing on my commute home from work on the basic question – “Will the presbyteries concur?”

Well, if I ponder something long enough I usually head in an analytical direction and this was no different.  So in the spirit of the alternate hashtag for GA – #presbynerdfest10 – this post is about to get really geeky really fast.

Let me begin with the data:  The nFOG passed the plenary by a vote of 468 yes to 204 no, a 69.6% yes vote.  The Belhar Confession was endorsed by the plenary with a 525 to 150 vote, a 77.8% yes vote.  Clearly, if the presbyteries mirror the Assembly in their voting than both will be approved.  However, we know from past experience that this is not the case.  In the most recent example the 218th General Assembly approved the change to G-6.0106b by a 380 to 325 margin, a 53.9% yes vote but the presbyteries voted 78 to 94 on 08-B with only a 45.3% yes vote.  The ratio of presbytery “yes” to assembly “yes” is 0.840.  If we apply that to the nFOG vote we get 58.5% yes in the presbyteries and for Belhar 65.4%.  nFOG passes and Belhar is very close.

Why is there a difference between Assembly and presbytery votes?  As polity wonks know, this is really a comparison of apples to oranges.  In the presbytery voting each presbytery has equal weight regardless of their size.  The smallest presbyteries’ votes count just the same as the largest and as a general rule the smaller presbyteries tend to be more conservative.  The other element in play here is that past voting patterns have shown that commissioners to the General Assembly are, on balance, more progressive than the average elder back home — or at least the elders back home are more resistant to change.  Finally, there is more time before the presbytery votes allowing for more organizing and educating of commissioners that can influence the final vote.

While I won’t go into the details, mathematicians will quickly realize that the ratio is not the only, and probably not the best, way to go in this case and rather we would be better served by having more data.  Much to my surprise, there is none from the 218th GA — Until I went searching I did not realize that every other item from that Assembly that went to the presbyteries for concurrence was approved by the plenary on voice or other non-recorded vote.  (There is something interesting in that alone but I need to do some more thinking about that.)

So, as another measure of the Assembly’s strength of opinion let me turn to the vote in the committee for each item since that is required to be a recorded vote.  Here is what happened in the Assembly committee and the presbyteries.  The link for each item takes you to the PC-Biz page for that item.

Item  Comm. % Yes Presby. % Yes
 08-A  96.1%  64.3%
 08-B  78.8%  45.3%
 08-C  94.7%  88.9%
 08-D  98.3%  93.6%
 08-E  100%  89.5%
 08-F  100%  65.3%
 08-G  100%  88.3%
 08-H  100%  89.1%
 08-I  79.3%  57.6%
 08-J  100%  95.9%
 08-K  100%  98.8%
 08-L  100%  93.6%
 08-M  100%  99.4%
 08-N  100%  98.2%

So looking at 08-B, the only one with counted votes in all three arenas, we have 78.8% yes in committee, 53.9% yes in full Assembly, and 45.3% yes in the presbyteries.

Taking this data and graphing it gives the chart below. It is a bit busy but the primary data are the blue squares.  I’ve included the full Assembly vote on  08-B as a red square for reference.  Statisticians will quickly see that while the left-hand blue data points are nicely clustered together, they are away from the other points and do leverage the best-fit line in blue.  I’ve put on the bounding lines in black.  The two thresholds, 50% and 66.7% are marked in purple.


Now, using this as a predictor, we see that a Book of Order change should get greater than 78% in committee and for Confessions above 87%.  nFOG was 37-5, 88% so probable passage.  Belhar was 43-11, 79.6% so it would fail on the main trend and closer on the upper bound.  Revisions to ordination standards was 69.2% so also a predicted failure by presbyteries to approve.

But is this valid?  This was the correlation for the PC(USA) after the 218th GA, does this correlation still hold for the church today?  I don’t know but we will see what happens in the next year.

Anyway, some speculative geekiness.  I will say that I do think the church has changed enough that the correlation probably won’t hold.  We will see how close it is.  Stay tuned.  Now, out of geek mode and back to polity wonk — next topic: the defeat of a non-geographic presbytery today.

Update:  Between the time I wrote this and when I proofed and posted it the 219th GA voted on item 06-09 to propose a change to G-6.0106b.  As I said above the committee vote would predict not enough presbyteries concurring based on past trends.  With full Assembly approval by 373 to 323, a 53.6% yes vote.  This is almost identical to the vote on the corresponding item for the 218th General Assembly and may suggest little shift in the church since then.  If the ratio from the last Assembly holds this Book of Order change would again fail. Time will tell.

4 thoughts on “The 219th General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA) — But Will The Presbyteries Concur?

  1. Howard Wilson

    Hi, Steve. You’re always thinking. I have a question for you: There will be at least three matters referred to the presbyteries now. Does the number of things to vote on, and the controversial nature of at least one of them, G106b, have an influence on the outcome of any or all of the votes? For example, I’m thinking that the conservatives, of which I am one, will be quite cross about this matter and will turn out to vote down Belhar and G106b. However, the liberals will likely turn out as well. Is there any correlation between the outcomes of votes on individual overtures? Just thinking…

    The sad truth is that all this wrangling does not likely change the downward plunge towards the x-axis in PCUSA membership. In some ways, the church reminds me of a teenager who’s texting his friends about where to eat dinner just as he’s hitting a brick wall.

    I’ve preached a couple of times in Presbyterian churches since moving to Canada. They are about 15-20 years behind the PCUSA in some of these arguments.

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  2. Steve Salyards

    Hi Howard,
    Your question is a very valid one.  This year will be unique with three very high-profile items to be voted upon.  I am curious to see how presbyteries handle them all because how they do it will influence the voting, in my opinion.  Will they do it over three meetings, will they double up some, or will they do them all at once?  I suspect that if everyone were to prioritize the vote on G-6.0106b would be the vote people would want to be present for so there would be the best turnout for that and lesser for the nFOG and Belhar.

    Thanks also for your comment on the PCC.  I have been doing a lot reading about the church union movement and the resistance to union among Presbyterian groups.  Very interesting how it came out of the Presbyterian identity and shaped the denominational identity since.

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  3. Barry Ensign-George

    Steve,

    Is that last sentence a summary of things you’ve written and posted elsewhere? I’d really like to follow up on that (resistance to union and how it flows from a particular identity and has shaped denominational identity).

    Thanks for your good work. I’ve circulated your post on GA and the amount of business it deals with. I think you are on target. I hope these issues will come to be more widely discussed. Looking forward to your further thoughts on the matter.

    Barry Ensign-George

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  4. Steve Salyards

    Hi Barry,
    I have only made some general comments about it here on this blog:
    https://blog.gajunkie.com/2009/09/28/presbyterians-certainly-are-a-peculiar-people.aspx
    https://blog.gajunkie.com/2009/09/26/patterns-of-proportionality-in-presbyterian-partition–or–are-fractures-fractal.aspx

    But specifically related to the history in the PCC not much.  I’ve acquired several books about the church union movement there and am reading as I have time.  I’ll have more to say in a few months.

    In a more general sense this is part of an interest I have developed in the “stay behind” branches, for lack of a better term.  It includes the Presbyterian Church in Canada in 1925, The Cumberland Presbyterian Church stalwarts that did not merge with the UPCUSA in 1906, and Scottish groups that remained independent in mergers in 1900 and 1929.  And yes, I think the timing in the early 20th century is significant and may have helped influence the fundamentalist/modernist issues in the following decades.

    That’s where I am with this.  Hope it helps.

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