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General Assembly of the Church of Scotland — Saturday Night Session

Greetings — I am semi-live blogging this session of the
General Assembly (2009) of the Church of Scotland.  I apologize to those with e-mail feeds or a feed
reader since you will probably only get the first section of the post
since I’ll be adding updates throughout the session.  Also, if you are
reading this on a browser live you will also need to refresh the screen
since I don’t have push technology on my blog.  It’s tough being Web
1.99999 in a Web 2.0 world.  Thanks for your patience.

This blogging is semi-live since I am not there and since only part of the session will be webcast.  This evening session is to deal with two related items of business.  The first is the protest of the call of the Rev. Scott Rennie to Queen’s Cross Church in Aberdeen.  This is the business titled “Dissent and Complaint Against A Decision of the Presbytery of Aberdeen.”  Since this is a judicial case the tradition of British judicial cases will be honored and there will be no webcast.  There will be no official twitter comments either but there may be some from inside the Assembly Hall on the Twitter subject #ga2009.  The second business item is a related overture from the Presbytery of Lochcarron-Skye proposing specific standards for these cases.  Webcasting is announced to resume for that portion.

10:45 PDT (6:45 PM local)-  At this point the business should have been going for about 15 minutes.  An earlier Twitter comment indicated that the gallery was full and that the overflow room was going to be used.

10:55 – There are some Twitters (or is that tweets) from the Assembly Hall including Stewart Cutler.  With Stewart in attendance I know of two bloggers, Stewart and Chris Hoskins at GA.  Watch their blogs after the session for thoughts.  UPDATE: My mistake, those tweets, including Stewart’s, are not coming from the Hall.  Still, Stewart has good connections so read what he has to say when this is over.

11:05 – With nothing else to talk about there is a Twitter discussion going on about the session not being webcast but having observers and the media in attendance in the gallery.  It seems to me the point is tradition, precedence, and the freedom for commissioners to speak freely in their debate as they try to discern the will of God on this matter.  There is  some question about impartiality of commissioners if they have already spoken out, but in the Presbyterian tradition they are now working together to discern the will of God.  In fact, their opinions can come into play in the debate.  They are not asked to be impartial.  They are asked to be open to the Spirit’s leading as they discern the will of God.

11:45 – The Assembly Hall continues to maintain “radio silence” with no updates yet.

12:33 PDT (8:33 local) – Stewart reports on Twitter that there is a break and the “motions are about to be called for.”

12:51 – Then again, another on Tweet implies a decision is not close.
12:53 – Update from Stewart that the parties have presented their cases and now discussion/debate begins

2:35 PM PDT – Twitter has come alive to report that the Assembly has voted to refuse the complaint and dissent regarding the Presbytery of Aberdeen’ approval of the Rev. Scott Rennie’s call to Queen’s Cross Church.

Conclusion:  The General Assembly of the Church of Scotland passed the following motion (from the Update page, but that will disappear at the next business session.)

The following motion is agreed by the Assembly:

a)
refuse the dissent and complaint of Aitken and others and sustain the
decision of the Presbytery of Aberdeen on the basis that the Presbytery
followed the vacancy procedure correctly in Act VIII 2003.

b) affirm for the avoidance of doubt that this decision does not alter the Church’s standards of ministerial conduct.

The business regarding the overture has been remaindered (postponed) until 4:00 PM Monday.

UPDATE:  A couple more thoughts
1)  In good Presbyterian manner the motion that was passed is really about the process not the candidate.  While I have not yet gotten info on the debate it appears that the GA, correctly in my opinion, separated the individual from the issue and at least acted only on the issue.  And the issue here appears to be the process.  The debate on the overture will deal with the issue of standards.

2)  According to an early article in The Herald the vote was 326 to 267.  It will be interesting to see how Monday’s vote compares.

It will be interesting to see both the reaction to this decision and the debate on Monday.  I will follow up on both.

Presbyterians Amid Web 2.0 — The Institution And The Web

As I put the list of resources together earlier today and then followed the progress of the Church of Scotland GA on the webcast and on twitter (#ga2009) it struck me that different Presbyterian branches seem to follow very different paths in putting together their web presence.

While the Church of Scotland has been delivering the GA materials over the web for a number of years, has had their audio updates available on-line, and was an early adopter of webcasting the assembly, the official presence is still very much web 1.0.  There is one web site, and although they have a great extranet area with a lot of publicly available documents, everything is in a fairly typical web format.  And while the Moderator’s “blog” is nice, from a technical standpoint it is still one-dimensional being just a web page without RSS feed or comments.  Got to give them credit for the new twitter feed this year though, but at last fall’s National Youth Assembly the twitter feed was one of the top trending feeds.

The Presbyterian branch that really thought this through is the Presbyterian Church in Canada.  They have “branded” the denomination with PCConnect which contains various blogs, podcast, and PCConnect-TV weekly segment, all with a unified look and feel.

You have to give the PC(USA) credit for trying Web 2.0 out.  There are multiple official blogs from various leaders in the denomination, great on-line video segments about important issues, and Facebook pages.  But while all of this is great I have trouble finding a unified strategy, message, or feel in it.

Having said that it is only fair to say that the Church of Scotland and the PC(USA) are revising their web sites.  It will be interesting to see how much they integrate, unify, or at least brand the content, and introduce new Web 2.0 content.

(I probably should define Web 2.0.  There is not a completely agreed upon definition that I am aware of, but it is a web presence that is interactive in the sense that there are RSS feeds, comment sections, and individual publishing like blogs, twitter or Facebook.  The traditional static, or at least slowly changing, web pages are thought of as Web 1.0.)

But while following the CofS GA today I was reading an older post by Chris Hoskins on his blog “What is Freedom?”  In that post, Church of Scotland and Social Media, he muses about what more the CofS could be doing on-line.  There is a nice comment on the post from CofS leader and techie Stewart Cutler who says:

At present the CofS doesn’t allow Councils to have their own sites. No
‘brands’ allowed. NYA isn’t allowed its own site. COSY isn’t allowed
it’s own site. That limits the ways in which people can interact
because the CofS doesn’t understand that people don’t want to interact
with static, out of date websites. They want to discuss, share, link,
download, upload and all that web2.0 stuff.

So how do you solve the tension between central oversight to maintain uniformity in appearance, presentation and message, versus a more independent approach where lots of stuff gets out there and you need to figure out what is official and what is individual.  The PC Canada does the former well, the PC(USA) does the latter well.  It seems the CofS is trying to figure it out.

General Assembly (2009) of the Church of Scotland Convenes

OK GA Junkies — Game On!

The General Assembly of the Church of Scotland convened a few hours ago and so the GA season has begun.  As I am watching it now there is notable discussion on the report of the Council of Assembly and the charitable trustees.

If you are interested in this Assembly you can find more information on the web:

The Church of Scotland does not have a Book of (Church) Order like many other branches do.  (Or The Code in Ireland.)  You can find the church law in the Acts of Assembly and The Regulations of Assembly.  For an more user friendly document check out An Introduction to Practice and Procedure in the Church of Scotland.

That will give you a start.  Have fun!

General Assembly of the Church of Scotland This Week — The Media Build Up Continues

The General Assembly of the Church of Scotland convenes in Edinburgh this Thursday.  I’ll post once more before the Moderator calls the commissioners to order so that I can talk about something else.

But if you only read the mainstream media on this side of the world you would think that the Assembly is about one thing, and only one thing — The suitability of the lifestyle of a partnered gay man for service as the pastor at a church in Aberdeen.

I would like to think that the Assembly will deal with this in its usual decently and in order fashion.  In fact, I expect that it will having followed these debates for a while.  What I don’t know about will be what will happen after that.

The other problem that I have is that I am following this from 8261.97 km away.  (That would be 5133.75 mi for those of us who only know the metric system as 2-liter bottles.)  I have been struck in the last week by the prolific, and frankly hyperbolic, coverage by the media.  They seem to be almost exclusively focusing on the conflict and “impending doom” that this controversy in the Church of Scotland will cause.  Yes, there is coverage of other issues, but usually in an “oh, by the way” manner.

The hot topic of the week was the sermon preached on the last Lord’s Day by the Rev. Ian Watson.  The title was “Jude: Fighting Truth Decay #3” and it is available on the Rev. Watson’s blog.  (And I must trust that what is posted on the blog is what was preached.)  From that the media got the following headlines

Anti-gay ‘Nazi’ slur causes Church of Scotland outrage – Ekklesia
Anti-gay Minister the Rev Ian Watson in ‘Nazi battle’ outrage – Times Online
Minister compares fight against homosexual clergy to resistance of Nazis – The Telegraph

Having read these articles and the sermon they are based on there is clearly a reference and implicit analogy to the run-up to the Second World War that would strike a nerve in many people.  Related to that, here is exactly what the Rev. Watson posted on his blog.  The Introduction:

There are very few people who enjoy conflict.  The vast majority of
decent people will do almost anything to avoid situations of
confrontation.  So, the soup may be cold, the meat tough and the
pudding inedible, but when the waiter asks us if we are enjoying our
meal we’ll smile and nod.  We don’t want to complain, we don’t want to
make a fuss.  We’ll even pay for the privilege. 

This is how bullies succeed.  They realize that no matter how
unhappy we are with their behaviour we’re not going to stand up to
them, because the last thing we want is a shouting match. 

That was the gamble Hitler took when he marched German troops into
the Rhineland in March 1936 in breach of a condition forced on Germany
after World War 1.  It was a huge gamble.  If the French army,
stationed on the other side of the border, had marched against him, the
Germans would have had to retreat and there’s no doubt Hitler’s regime
would have collapsed.  But he guessed correctly that the French had no
stomach for a fight.  If only they had, then the tragedy of a second
World War might have been avoided.

And from the Conclusion

Let me assure you, neither I nor like-minded minsters enjoy
conflict.  We long to be getting on with the work of the gospel in our
parishes.  It’s a distraction we could do without.

But have we learned nothing from history?  Remember Hitler and the
re-taking of the Rhineland.  He got away with it.  No one stopped him. 
So next it was Austria, then Czechoslovakia, and then Poland and only
then world war.

I can’t help asking myself: if we say nothing, do nothing at this
time, what next?  What scriptural truth is next for shaving?  The
uniqueness of Christ as our only Saviour?  The nature of God as Holy
Trinity?  

What moral standards will we depart from?  Can we expected unmarried
couples in our manses?  A line has to be drawn in the sand, or the
whole edifice will come tumbling down (now there’s a mixed metaphor for
you!)

In between he makes no further reference to these events but talks about various conflicts in church history and his scripture passage, Jude 3-4, particularly v. 3 where it says

Beloved, while eagerly preparing to write to you about the salvation we
share, I find it necessary to write and appeal to you to contend for
the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints.

While many people found Mr. Watson’s sermon illustration disturbing, the press reports that I have read focused on the Germany analogy and did not properly convey, in my opinion, the full sense of the sermon.  In addition the media states that many religious and political leaders have expressed disapproval, but are weak backing that up with quotes.  The Telegraph article does give two reactions:

Rev Peter Macdonald, the leader elect of the Iona Community and
minister of St George’s West, Edinburgh, told The Times he found the
sermon disturbing while Rev Lindsay Biddle, chaplain of Affirmation
Scotland, a pro-homosexual group, said: “If you don’t like homosexuals,
then get on with it – but don’t use the Bible to justify opinions.”

And a defense from Rev. Watson

Rev Watson defended his sermon: “There is no doubt that there is a
conflict,” he said. “I was trying to explain why I am engaged in this.
People say to me, ‘This is not a hill to die on’, but I think it is a
fight worth fighting. “Evangelicals seek to defend the historic and
orthodox Christian faith. If we don’t what are we? I am a man of
convictions.”

So while I can see Rev. Watson’s perspective and why some are offended and concerned by the comments, I still find the media reports as superficial and too focused on the most controversial aspects.  (And I would note that I have searched Rev. Watson’s posted text a couple of times and he does not actually use the term “Nazi” himself, instead referring to “Hitler” and “Germany.”  I don’t know if the media uses the term for brevity or impact?)

The other thread that is going around related to this story, and again promoted more by the media than in direct statements that I am reading, is the prospect of schism.  In the Telegraph article I have already quoted from the second paragraph opens with

His [The Rev. Watson’s] comments will widen divisions within the Kirk over the appointment of an openly gay minister to a parish church last year.

As far as I can tell this article is firmly in the News section, not the opinion, so I would fault the writer, Alastair Jamieson, for the inclusion of the “will widen” without a direct attribution.  Yes, in the next paragraph he writes

Rev Kenneth MacKenzie, the minister at Crathie Kirk, near Balmoral,
which is attended by the Queen, has warned a schism would occur if his
appointment was confirmed.

But the way the article is constructed it appears Mr. Jamieson is using the Rev. MacKenzie’s statement to support his own thesis rather than report on other people’s concerns about divisions.  And in many of these articles quotes from those who do not think there will be division are missing.

I should point out some good coverage of the issue.  Two good examples come from the BBC.  There is one story that tones down the headline a bit with “Church Split Warning Over Gay Row.”  It also contains a 15 minute video that has a very good conversation between two CofS ministers, the Rev. Randall and the Rev. Gilchrist, discussing the issue and theological viewpoints.  And they make the very important point that this controversy is about standards for ordained office, something that you could not tell from two of the three headlines I listed above.  (Style points to the Telegraph for bringing that out in the headline.)  The second article is on William Crawley’s religion blog Will & Testament.  I enjoy William’s writing because it is usually balanced, well informed and relevant.  This article is no exception.

At a news conference earlier this week the Moderator Designate, the Rev. Bill Hewitt, refused to answer questions about the issue, just saying it was his job to oversee the Assembly debate.

Finally, in another post William Crawley notes that religious leaders in Northern Ireland have added their names to the petition from The Fellowship of Confessing Churches that urges the restriction on those called to the pastorate.  He points out that the list of signatories includes several former moderators of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland.

I expect not to address this issue again before it comes to the floor of Assembly at the end of this week.  Debate on the filed protest of Aberdeen Presbytery’s actions is docketed for Saturday evening.  I expect to be live blogging it.  I do want to finish one more post before the Assembly begins, especially since there is another important matter that won’t come to the floor until next year, but will have an influence on several other items of business.   (Update:  Thanks to Iain I have been informed that there are not plans to webcast the Saturday evening debate.  I guess I’ll have to depend on the reports after the debate.)

What Does It Take To Get Ordained Around Here?

What does it take to get ordained around here?

You can tell that my younger son has grown up in a Presbyterian family.  This past weekend he had a telling Freudian slip when he was reading a line in a presentation and instead of saying the correct word “obligation” he substituted the word “ordination.”

But when you get down to it much of the current discussion and debate in the Presbyterian church branches is around what it takes to be ordained an officer in the church and the standards for ordination and ordained officers.

The PC(USA) is wrapping up the vote rejecting the replacement of the “fidelity and chastity” section in the Book of Order.  There are also judicial cases (Paul Capetz, Lisa Larges) in process related to declaring exceptions.

The EPC will be discussing transitional and affinity presbyteries at its GA to accommodate the various theological positions permitted under their “local option” and “in non-essentials, liberty” regarding ordination of women as officers.

The PCA is actively debating and discussing women in helping ministries and when their role begins to be comparable to that of a man’s role as an ordained deacon.  (This issue has been developing so quickly that I have not had time to properly package it up for posting so here is only one of many recent news items on this topic.)

The moderator designate of the GA of the PCI has received some notoriety for his views that women should not be ordained ministers.

And as the Church of Scotland GA rapidly approaches the discussion continues over the call of a partnered gay man to a church in Aberdeen and the protest of that call to be heard by the Assembly as well as an overture clearly stating the standards for ordination and service.

With all of that GA business, an additional story has taken on a life of its own…

Over the weekend Adam Walker Cleaveland over at pomomusings wrote about “When an M.Div. from Princeton isn’t enough…” and his attempt to come under care of San Francisco Presbytery and the requirement from their Committee on Preparation for Ministry (CPM) to take six more classes to fulfill their education requirements even though he has the degree from a PC(USA) seminary.  Getting ordained has been a continuing struggle for him and this is only the latest speed-bump, road block, brick wall, on-coming train… you pick the metaphor.

I have known many people who had trouble with their CPM’s like this but what makes Adam’s current situation interesting is that his friend the Rev. Tony Jones, who has a soap box on beliefnet to broadcast this far and wide, has take up his cause and started a petition to support Adam.  It currently has 130 signatories.  In the blog entry Mr. Jones writes:

Few things piss me off as much as the sinful bureaucratic systems of
denominational Christianity. When rules and regulations trump common
sense, then the shark has officially been jumped.

But what gets
to me even more is that bright, competent, and pastorally experienced
persons like Adam continue to submit themselves to these sinful
systems. They assure me that it’s not for the health insurance or the
pension. They do it cuz they feel “called.” And if I hear another
person tell me that they’re sticking with their abusive denomination
because, “They’re my tribe,” I’m gonna go postal.

So, it’s time
for us to do something. It’s time for us, the body of Christ, to ordain
Adam. To that end, I’ve started a petition, beseeching Adam to quit the
PC(USA) ordination circus and to accept our ordination of him.

This led another friend of Tony’s (FOT?), PC(USA) minister John D’Elia to argue, among other things…

On the other hand, your friend may have erred in being unwilling to
demonstrate that he could take direction and counsel from a governing
body—something that I believe has a place in the context of the
American religious free market. In the PCUSA, the process of becoming
ordained is partly an exercise in learning healthy submission to peer
authority (I can see the eyes rolling back in your head). Now setting
aside the not-nearly-rare-enough instances where the submission
required is unhealthy, it’s not a bad lesson to learn. More
importantly, once candidates have completed (survived?) that process,
we have enormous freedom to live and serve as our own calling leads us.
It’s OK with me that we disagree on this point. That’s not the problem.

(I should add that Rev. D’Elia has posted an apology to Rev. Jones for drifting into a personal attack in this post.)

Tony Jones has a follow-up post where he writes:

I’ve got a bunch of people upset at me for encouraging my friend, Adam Walker-Cleaveland, to forsake the ordination process of the Presbyterian Church (USA) denomination. I even went so far as to post an online petition
to attempt to convince Adam to drop out of the PC(USA) process and
consider himself “ordained” by the Body of Christ — that is, by all of
his fellow believers.

and then he continues the discussion responding to the Rev. D’Elia.  It ends with a “To be continued…”

This publicity provided by Tony Jones has resulted in some additional articles about Adam’s situation and this discussion, including Out of Ur, neo-baptist, and koinonia.

Two observations on all of this:

1)  The ordination standards debate is nothing new.  It was part of the disagreement in American Presbyterianism that lead to the Old-side/New-side split of 1741.  The question there was over, wait for it, THEOLOGICAL EDUCATION and “religious experience.”  The Old-side Presbyterians were questioning the preparation and theology of the New-side Presbyterians being produced by the Log College, an educational institution sometimes pointed to as a predecessor of, yes, Princeton.  (Note the argument that there is not an administrative lineage between the two schools like the theological heritage they share.)  The more things change…

2)  “The governing bodies are separate and independent, but have such mutual relations that the act of one of them is the act of the whole church performed by it through the appropriate governing body.” [from PC(USA) Book of Order G-9.0103]

This one sentence is at the heart of these ordination debates in the Presbyterian Churches.  In Presbyterianism the idea is that once an individual has been ordained by one governing body the whole church recognizes that ordination.  This sets up an appropriate tension between individual ordaining bodies and the broader church to set standards for ordination so that others are comfortable accepting an officer ordained by another governing body.

This is not to say that once ordained you are a “free agent.”  On the contrary, you agree to the discipline of the church and if you stray from the church, its standards and its beliefs, the discipline of the church is to restore you and reconcile you with your brethren.  Again “the act of one of them is the act of the whole church.”

It is interesting that one of the important points in the discussion between Tony Jones and John D’Elia is that the Rev. Jones was ordained in the Congregational church and the Rev. D’Elia was ordained in the Presbyterian church and that is reflected in their views and arguments.  The role of the “institution” is at the heart of their discussion.

In most Presbyterian branches the Presbyteries are responsible for the admission, preparation and examination of candidates for the Ministry of Word and Sacrament.  In the PC(USA) there are certain national standards for education and written examinations in particular areas.  But the presbyteries are given some flexibility even in these to set their own standards for candidates.  That is where Adam is getting tripped up.  And because of the presbytery’s control and authority it is recommended, as Adam points out, that you do not switch presbytery of care during the process.  I can point to several cases I know of where that was nearly disastrous for candidates.  I also know of cases where an individual was not accepted into the process in one presbytery but was later accepted by another.  That is the nature of the Presbyterian system and on-balance we believe that it works. 

From my reading of Adam’s transcript I would have accepted his education with the exception of the weak area he notes himself (Greek exegesis).  But I’m not on a CPM or in the presbytery he wants to come under care of so I have to trust it to them.  So if/when he is finally ordained I do accept the actions of that presbytery as the “act of the whole church.”

Are there problems?  “All synods or councils, since the apostles’ times, whether general or particular, may err; and many have erred.” [Westminster Confession, XXXI, IV]  So yes, problems arise.  But that is also part of our Reformed theology that we are more likely to get it right as a group than we are individually.

Where this is getting difficult at the present time is in declaring exceptions to non-essentials.  While the PC(USA) still has “fidelity and chastity” in the constitution one part of the church considers it at least binding if not essential.  Clearly there are those with the view that just because it is in the constitution it does not mean it is binding or essential.  But there are some on both sides that do recognize that if something so clearly stated in the constitution can be “scrupled” that this at worst will lead to a breakdown of the trust relationship between ordaining bodies, and at best court cases over the obligation of one presbytery to accept the ordination of another when an exception has been declared.  It makes an end-run around the established system that holds us in tension and accountable to each other.

So we will see how all of these develop.  There is a lot to watch in the coming weeks.

Debate Preceding The Church Of Scotland General Assembly — Focus Shifts To Web 2.0

When I last posted on the current controversy headed to this year’s General Assembly of the Church of Scotland I did not realize that I was writing at a point in time when the discussion was shifting from the Mainstream Media reports driving the Web, to the Web driving the media.  I’ll not fully rehearse the specifics of the case again.  You can check out my previous posts or some of the other links I’ll cite today for that.  Let me give the essential information for this discussion that Queen’s Cross Church in Aberdeen called the Rev. Scott Rennie, a partnered gay pastor, to its vacant charge.  Aberdeen Presbytery concurred but a protest was filed and that protest will be heard at the General Assembly that begins in just over two weeks.

In that previous post what I did not realize was that I had found the web site for the Fellowship of Confessing Churches on the day of its launch.  Thanks to the Rev. Ian Watson for that information.  You can check out his announcement on his blog Kirkmuirhillrev.  Anyway, as I mentioned last time, on the Confessing Churches web site there is a petition supporting the dissenters and asking the GA to support the protest.  Well this petition has gone “viral,” or at least as viral as something Presbyterian can go, and there are currently 2530 individuals from the Church of Scotland who have signed, 1404 from other Scottish churches, 1104 from other UK churches, and another 1193 from other churches worldwide for a grand total of 6233 as of this writing, and increasing by the minute.

And this petition is now being advertised and debated in the blogosphere.  Over on the Reformation 21 blog, Carl Trueman announced the petition but indicated he would not sign.  However, other writers on the blog, like Phil Ryken and Rick Phillips did sign and post their comments about why they did.  Carl Trueman posted a second, much more extended comment on his view of the situation in response to Rev. Ryken’s post.

But the first post from Carl Trueman found responses from elsewhere in the blogosphere, some supporting his position (e.g. Thomas Goodwin, Joshua Judges Ruth and Knoxville) and some who argue for signing (e.g. Michael Bird at Euangelion).  And there is Darryl Hart on Old Life Theological Society who finds positives in both positions.  I find it interesting that many of the respondents are associated with the Presbyterian Church in America which will be dealing with ordination standards as they again address the issue of ordaining or commissioning women as deaconesses at their GA this year.  In fact the Rev. Dave Sarafolean makes this connection directly in his post at Joshua Judges Ruth (and his quote from Carl Trueman comes from Trueman’s second post):

Having just come back from presbytery
and preparing for General Assembly in a few weeks I found this quote
from Carl Trueman very helpful. I say this because of the on-going
debate in the PCA about the topic of ‘deaconesses’ (which are not
prescribed by our constitution):

“The policy of
ceding church courts to the liberals has proved disastrous. I feel for
friends caught in the crossfire in Aberdeen but, as I said earlier, a
petition is too little too late. These battles are not won by petitions
which have no ecclesiastical status; nor are they won by preaching to
the converted at large Reformed conferences or to congregations of the
faithful in the big C of S churches. They are won by the nasty,
brutish, hard labour of fighting in the church courts, face to face,
toe to toe, eyeball to eyeball, with those who would seek to take over
session, presbyteries, synods, and General Assemblies for evil”

There are a number of other facets to this debate that have developed over the past week.  The one that hit the mainstream media was a correction and apology that the conservative group Forward Together issued after they said that the Rev. Rennie had left his wife while it was actually the opposite.  This correction was widely covered by the press, such as these articles in Scotsman and The Herald.  However, the Rev. Louis Kinsey at Coffee with Louis takes issue with the tone of some of the press coverage and the bias he perceives in the reporting of the correction.  Similarly, he comments on bias in the headline of another news story about the petition.

From a different perspective Mr. Stewart Cutler has a blog post titled “Not In My Name” where he says why he will not sign the petition and he concludes with

So, no.  I won’t be signing your petition.  And I hope no-one else does
either.  Not because I don’t believe in your right to have one.  Not
that because I don’t think you have the right to hold your opinion. 
But because I believe that we are called to love one another and to
conduct our discusions with love and respect.

In another blog entry Mr. Cutler points us to the latest OneKirk Journal which has an extended interview with Rev. Rennie.  From all the reading that I have done on this story I think these are the most extensive comments by Mr. Rennie since the controversy broke.  The comments are serious, heartfelt and honest.  When the interviewer ask about the affect on his faith this controversy has had Mr. Rennie says:

Interestingly, it has greatly strengthened my faith. It has heightened my sense of call, opened my eyes to a wealth of kindness and Christian love from other people; some of whom I know, and some of whom I have never met. It is always easy in these kinds of circumstances to focus on the negative, but the reality is that most people are kind, compassionate and good at heart. Through them, God reveals himself to us all. I keep hearing in my mind the verse of that children’s hymn we all grew up with: ‘Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so’.

This article and this quote have also been picked up by the print media including an article in The Times Online today with the very attention-getting headline “Gay Church of Scotland Minister Hits Back at Evangelical Critics.”  I’m wondering if the Rev. Rennie would consider the OneKirk interview “hitting back” or just “telling his side”?

So as we approach the Assembly meeting the Journal article gives us one additional item — An Order of the Day:  This protest will be heard at 1900 on Saturday May 23 and decided in that session.  I appreciate the information so that I can rearrange my schedule and referee an earlier football (soccer) match that day.  I am still looking for the Blue Book or the docket to know when the related overture will be debated.

The Current Church of Scotland Controversy Remains Active

In many ways I regard the Church of Scotland and the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) as very similar branches of global Presbyterianism.  They are both the largest and most visible Presbyterian denomination in their respective countries and both have a wide theological diversity in their membership.  But they have differed in two significant respects.  First, the Church of Scotland is a national church while the PC(USA) is one mainline denomination among many.  The second is that the Church of Scotland seemed, at least from this distance, to have a much less vigorous debate going on regarding the place of GLBT individuals in the church.  Until now…

Back in 2006 the CofS General Assembly sent to the presbyteries an item approving the blessing of same-sex unions.  The item was defeated.  But what made the business interesting, and in some ways telling, was that it came from the Legal Questions Committee which deals with civil legal issues, not from a theological or polity committee.  In a sense, the issue was co-opted for the church to make a statement on same-sex unions.  The Kirk has had several groups working on reports related to aspects of human sexuality, principally the 1994 and 2007 reports, but most have been accepted only for reflection and discussion and they have not lead to statements or acts concerning polity or theology.

Now a relevant issue has come up regarding ordination standards and clergy lifestyle when a previously ordained minister was called to a church in Aberdeen and he will be bringing his gay partner with him.  The presbytery approved the call, some of the commissioners protested to the Commission of Assembly, and the Commission decided (correctly in my opinion) that this was too significant in issue for it to decide and they sent it on to the full, new General Assembly less than a month from now.  So far all done in a very Presbyterian manner, decently and in order.

The issue “blew up” when an editorial appeared in the CofS official, but editorially independent, monthly magazine Life and Work that expressed the opinion that the Kirk should be broad and accepting and that this call should be approved by the GA.  Conservative ministers in the CofS were upset about the editorial and the Scottish press ran with the story.

Well, the press is still running with it, but more about that in a moment.  Decently and in order stuff first…

The Presbytery of Lochcarron and Skye have overtured the General Assembly in this matter.  The overture is short and the “whereases” are telling so here is the full text, courtesy of The Fellowship of Confessing Churches:

OVERTURE

ANENT MINISTERIAL CONDUCT

From the Presbytery of Lochcarron-Skye

Whereas:

1. the Church’s historic understanding of the Biblical teaching on homosexual practice has been questioned in recent years.

2. a lengthy period of reflection has elapsed without a resolution of the issue.

3. it is undesirable that the courts of the church should be asked to judge on individual cases in advance of any such resolution.

It is humbly overtured by the Reverend the Presbytery of
Lochcarron-Skye to the Venerable the General Assembly to receive the
Overture set out below,

“That this Church shall not accept for training, ordain, admit,
re-admit, induct or introduce to any ministry of the Church anyone
involved in a sexual relationship outside of faithful marriage between
a man and a woman”.

Polity wise this is a simpler, yet broader, version of the PC(USA) “fidelity and chastity” requirement.  The PC(USA) standard applies only to candidates for ordination.  The GAPJC extended preceding statements to apply to “positions that presume ordination.”  As you can see in this overture it proposes applying a standard to ministers only, but applying the standard to both the ordination as well as the call process.  (That would be the “induct” or “introduce” for the American readers who “install” pastors.)

In addition to the overture there is also a statement/online petition from The Fellowship encouraging the GA to oppose the call and another conservative group, Forward Together, has a statement on their home page also opposing the call.  The liberal group Affirmation Scotland has a statement posted on their website supporting the call.

In the popular press this issue continues to make headlines and apparently The Sunday Times surveyed CofS ministers and found a significant number that said they would consider leaving the church if the call was upheld by the General Assembly.  The survey is reported on-line by Pink News (I searched and could not find an original reference to it at The Times Online so I have to wonder if it was only in the print edition of the paper.)  According to the report 50 ministers were surveyed, 23 said they opposed the call and eight said they would consider leaving.  (GA Junkie note:  Pink News, and maybe The Times, refers to it as a question about the “ordination.”  In this case the minister is already ordained so the question is about the call to this pastoral position.)  There is independent on-line verification of this survey from the Rev. Jim Dewar’s blog.  He reports that he was one of the ministers contacted by The Times and that he told them he was opposed but not considering leaving.  In regards to whether he would leave he says that he told the reporter “No; there is more to the Christian faith, more to my ministry and the mission of the Church than sexual ethics!”

So the story continues.  The General Assembly convenes three weeks from tomorrow and more than one story I read predicts that this could be the most controversial, or at least the most closely watched, in two decades.  As an indicator, this story has been picked up by blogs not specific to Scotland (Reformation 21) and other denominational writers (Anglicans United, Virtue OnLine, Clerical Whispers).  Let us pray that by the time GA gets here the commotion will have calmed down so the commissioners can focus and discern God’s will.

Controvery Headed To The Church Of Scotland General Assembly Increases

[Editorial note:  Before I begin with the news I did want to let my readers know that life has gotten busy and my blog writing production has dropped off.  The family events are good and exciting but time consuming.  That last massive post took me five days.  As my list of news items to blog about quickly increases I anticipate a few shorter posts to cover some of them and probably bumping some of the others off the list.  Thanks for your understanding.]

When we last looked at a controversial pastoral call in the Church of Scotland the Commission of Assembly had decided not to rule on the protest of the presbytery’s concurrence with the call but to let the upcoming full General Assembly decide the matter.  Well, in the last few days the issue has hit the press and has increased in visibility and verbiage, as well as published opinion.  What was happening “decently and in order” as we Presbyterians like suddenly is having its trial in the press.

First the background:  The Rev. Scott Rennie, a partnered gay man, was called by Queen’s Cross Church, Aberdeen, to be their new pastor.  The Presbytery of Aberdeen concurred but 12 commissioners protested the decision because of Mr. Rennie’s lifestyle.  As I said, the Commission of Assembly, a body with interim authority between Assembly meetings, heard the protest and decided this was of such significance that the full Assembly needed to deal with it.  So we were waiting for the Assembly meeting in just about a month.

Over the last few days the issue has now flared up in the press.  It appears to have begun with an editorial in the latest issue of the Church of Scotland’s monthly publication Life and Work.  The magazine is editorially independent and appears only in print so the editorial is not available on-line as best as I can tell.  Accounts all seem to agree that the editorial in the latest issue takes the side of the Rev. Rennie.  As the Rev. Louis Kinsey says about this in his blog Coffee with Louis:

In her editorial, Muriel Armstrong writes about the General Assembly
of the Kirk, shortly to take place in Edinburgh, and focuses entirely
on the case of the Rev Scott Rennie, whose call to the congregation of
Queen’s Cross in Aberdeen is being resisted by dissenters from that
Presbytery, amongst whom I am one.

The serious mistake that Life & Work has made here is
that the magazine attempts to argue this case and to bring it to a
liberal conclusion long before the General Assembly even convenes.  How
can it be considered fair or proper to discuss a case and to say what
the outcome should be before the Kirk’s highest court has convened and
debated?   This is simply prejudice, not journalism.

Mr. Kinsey goes on to fault the magazine not for being editorially independent but for being “so manifestly one-sided and unbalanced.”  And his concern is with the timing so close to the beginning of GA it will influence the commissioners.  And he has concerns about how she has formed her opinions:

How can she know the evidence?  Has she seen all of it?  If not, and I
most sincerely hope she has not, for the evidence is confidential, how
can she offer anything resembling a responsible point of view.  Her
editorial is factually incomplete and numerically misleading.  It is
naive about the way scripture is to be read and used in the modern
world.  It also demonstrates remarkable ignorance of the biblical and
theological issues that are involved, choosing to try and conclude the
argument with a few sweeping generalizations about homosexuality and
the integrity of relationships. 

And Mr. Kinsey finishes with this:

The editorial ends with a swipe at the dissenters, reminding us of our
ordination vows – which we are presumably forgetting – vows about the
preservation of the peace and unity of the church, the very peace and
unity that is being threatened by those who press this matter,
including Life & Work, and not by the dissenters.  It is no wonder at all that Life & Work
is so disregarded in evangelical congregations and by evangelical
ministers and elders…  It presents itself as the magazine of a
broad church, but it is clear that the broadness of the church works
only in one direction.  It is a broadness that suits those who are
theologically liberal but which shows a growing intolerance towards
evangelicals and their theology. 

You can also check out media coverage of the editorial by the BBC and Christian Today.

But this editorial and the Rev. Kinsey’s response was only the beginning.  Yesterday Mr. Ron Ferguson authored an opinion piece in The Herald that raised the possibility of a modern split in the Church of Scotland like the Disruption of 1843.  Again Mr. Kinsey responds to this article saying:

A divide may indeed eventually come over the issue of the affair of
Aberdeen Presbytery, but whatever form and shape it will take, it will
only be the visible manifestation of a divide that has existed for some
time.

In addition, The Herald has posted some letters to the editor on both sides of the issue.

With these two opinion pieces being widely reported the blogosphere has lit up as well, including this post.  Others discussing it include Anglican Mainstream, Euangelion, and Gay Religion among many others.

While I expected this to be a major focus at the Assembly, I am a bit surprised that it has become such a high-visibility story ahead of the Assembly.  I expect that we can see statements from Forward Together and Affirmation Scotland leading up to the meeting.  We will see how much more this issue develops in the next month.

Two Sign Posts On The Journey With Standards For Ordained Office: 2 – Church of Scotland and Aberdeen Presbytery

Today the Commission of Assembly of the Church of Scotland deliberated another case regarding standards for ordained office, this one regarding the call of a partnered gay pastor to Queen’s Cross Church in the Presbytery of Aberdeen.

The Rev. Scott Rennie was called to serve as pastor of Queen’s Cross Church and this call was approved by the Presbytery of Aberdeen back in January by a vote of 60-24.  (For more details and reaction you can check my first and second posts from that time.) This is not an ordination question.  Mr. Rennie is ordained and was in a heterosexual marriage previous to his current life style.  The Church of Scotland does not have the case law that the PC(USA) has in the GAPJC Sallade v. Genesee Valley decision that says “this commission holds that a self-affirmed practicing homosexual may
not be invited to serve in a Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) position that
presumes ordination.”

Following the vote twelve ministers and elders appealed the decision of Presbytery to the General Assembly and the appeal was debated by the Commission of Assembly today.  One of those appellants was the Rev. Louis Kinsey who wrote about the appeal yesterday in his Coffee With Louis blog.  The Commission of Assembly, not to be confused with the Council of Assembly, is a subgroup of the Assembly comprised of 10% of the commissioners to the last Assembly.  It has interim authority to make decisions on many matters for the current Assembly.

Thanks to the Rev. Ian Watson for letting us know that today the Commission decided that this issue was significant enough that it should be decided by the full Assembly and not this subgroup.  But it was by the slim margin of 42 to 41.  The Rev. Watson’s take is that they decided not to decide.  He is significantly closer to the situation both geographically and connectionally, so he may very well be right that the Commission decided not to wade into these waters but leave it for the next Assembly in May.  But in light of the caution shown by 2007 General Assembly to invoke the Barrier Act and send the issue of blessing same-gender unions out to the Presbyteries, I interpret this decision similarly as the Commission deciding to involve the greater wisdom of the wider church and greater buy-in to the final decision.  I would like to think that they are not ducking the issue but rather considering “discretion the greater part of valor.”  And as always, I could be completely wrong.  I have a lot less experience and no “boots on the ground” like Mr. Watson has.

So, this now goes on the docket for the 2009 General Assembly and we will have to see where it goes from there.  Again, the journey continues.

Status Of The Controversal Call To A Charge In The Church Of Scotland

Like the PC Ireland post from earlier today, this is more of a status report and we are awaiting significant decisions to be made.

For more background you can check my first and second posts on the situation as it developed, but in brief Queen’s Cross Church called the Rev. Scott Rennie to be their pastor and the Presbytery of Aberdeen concurred.  The issue is that the Rev. Rennie is, to use the PC(USA) jargon, a “self-acknowledged practicing homosexual” and intends to live in the manse with his partner.  This was controversial and not everyone approved, including 24 of the 84 members of presbytery that voted on the concurrence.

Since my last post the presbytery vote has been appealed by 12 members of presbytery because of Mr. Rennie’s lifestyle and the appeal has been accepted by the Commission of Assembly.  The council will hear the appeal on March 25 and decide what will happen.  My thanks to Louis Kinsey and his explanation of what could happen from there on his blog Coffee with Louis.  Here is an excerpt of what he wrote:

The Commission of Assembly is appointed by the General Assembly each
year and comprises one tenth of the ministers, elders and members of
the diaconate of that General Assembly, plus members ex officiis of
the General Assembly, minus the previous Moderator.  The powers of the
Commission are considerable and its judgements are not subject to
review:

‘provided that any case in which, in the opinion of the
Commission, an important issue of principle is at stake may be referred
by the Commission to the General Assembly.’

It may therefore be the case that the complaint is upheld or denied
there and then, or it may be referred to the General Assembly of the
Church of Scotland in May.  Only the Lord knows.

So, at this point we are waiting for the Council meeting on March 25 to see what will happen next.